Richard Dawkins- discuss

[Fungus]

I believe that God is real because I have a relationship with him through His son Jesus.

 

Matt,

I suggest you read some of the above cited literature by Allegro, Irvin and Rush on the non-existence of Jesus, Mary or God and the pagan origins of Judeo-Christianity, one of the "monotheistic" religions originally based on with the use of psycho-actives or entheogens - such as the Fly Agaric, Liberty Caps, Henbane, Mandrake, Atropa belladonna, Datura and Cannabis - associated fertility rituals and ceremonies lead and performed by shamans.

Even the pope has stated, that in spite of mind control methods and political power and mission tactics, it is problematic to draw young people to the religion of the "Mother Church", because there is no historical proof for Jesus being a real person.

[RobArb]

has anyone though about (seriously) what this world (the human mind) would be like without faith or religion?

 

Would we all get on? Would race and racism exist?

 

Surely if there was no hope there would be no fear?

 

Did anybody see that drama on ITV a good few years ago now that starred christopher eccleston coming back as a "son of god" and banishing religion, it tried to paint a picture of what it would be like...

 

I myself believe that there is, like everything, a beginning. But my beliefs would be from the scientific side of the spectrum. I have no qualms with people who have a faith and believe in a god but please, don't preach it to me

 

I'm old enough to educate myself and have my own reasoning on life and the meaning of it!

 

 

 

 

Anyway, Prof Brian Cox rules and we all came from mars in a space ship:biggrin:

[Fungus]

1. has anyone thought about (seriously) what ... the human mind ... would be like without faith or religion?

2. Would we all get on? Would ... racism exist?

3. Surely if there was no hope there would be no fear?

 

Rob,

1. The human mind, i.e. our brain and especially the white matter, the "mycelium", which is an interface between and interconnects both our hemispheres, would not have reached to its present capacities of colour sight, cognition and speach or language, i.e. intellectual and artistic development, if our Neo-Lithic ancestors had not used colourful hallucinatory images eliciting "Liberty Caps", such as Psilocybe mairei (see : Tassili rock art) and P. semilanceata and/or P. hispanica (see : Selva Pascuala cave murals in their tribe rituals and ceremonies to get into contact with their gods.

2. See : Touchy subject.

3. Humans are characterized by basic existential anxiety and fears, needing all kinds of "religious" or superstitious rituals and ceremonies to be soothed and controlled.

Edited August 9, 2011 by Fungus

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Rob,

 

3. Humans are characterized by basic existential anxiety, needing all kinds of "religious" or superstitious rituals and ceremonies to be soothed and controlled.

 

not all of us! some of us are evolved! I hope so anyways!

 

though i do sometimes ask herne the hunter to assist in my forays when the goings hard:thumbup1:

[alex_m]

I tried researching the genesis flood a while back.

I couldn't find any logical explanation of how 2 of (or 7?) each species on earth was located and put onto a boat.

There is at least 3 million species of animal on earth, ok alot would be sea dwelling creatures, but what about the rest? fresh water fish? microscopic organisms that couldn't survive salt water for 40 days? and finally... Dinosaurs! how the '' could anyone get them onto a boat, without a) dying in the process or b) all the other animals dying....

 

if someone can fill me in i would appreciate it.

[RobArb]

er, i remember this well... i was a wee boy at the time:biggrin:

[Fungus]

I tried researching the genesis flood a while back. if someone can fill me in i would appreciate it.

 

Alex,

The flood, that was used as a model for the great flood in the book of Genesis, probably took place in the eastern parts of the Mediterranean See during the reign of the Minoan king Midas, the builder of the palace and labyrint of Knossos on Crete, from which the designer Daedalus and his son Icarus escaped after they had been captured and held prisoner by the Minotaur. In reality it was a tsunami, which flooded the island of Crete and the coasts of some north eastern African countries after the volcano of Santorini exploded and blew up half of the island.

[John Russell]

I went to school with a couple of Jehova's Witnesses and came to realise that it was pointless discussing anything of a religious nature with someone who has 'faith' -- whatever the name of their particular God. At the end of the day all rationality goes out of the window and they end up saying, "because it just is!" They're got their beliefs and I've got mine and my logic tells me there ain't no such thing as God -- unless by 'God' you're talking about what we all know as 'love'.

 

And, as someone once said; "all you need is love". That'll do for me.

[RobArb]

Alex,

The flood, that was used as a model for the great flood in the book of Genesis, probably took place in the eastern parts of the Mediterranean See during the reign of the Minoan king Midas, the builder of the palace and labyrint of Knossos on Crete, from which the designer Daedalus and his son Icarus escaped after they had been captured and held prisoner by the Minotaur. In reality it was a tsunami, which flooded the island of Crete and the coasts of some north eastern African countries after the volcano of Santorini exploded and blew up half of the island.

 

When atlantis disappeared:biggrin:

 

Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

[Taupotreeman]

Alex,

The flood, that was used as a model for the great flood in the book of Genesis, probably took place in the eastern parts of the Mediterranean See during the reign of the Minoan king Midas, the builder of the palace and labyrint of Knossos on Crete, from which the designer Daedalus and his son Icarus escaped after they had been captured and held prisoner by the Minotaur. In reality it was a tsunami, which flooded the island of Crete and the coasts of some north eastern African countries after the volcano of Santorini exploded and blew up half of the island.

 

Fungus, I actually thought it was the rising of the seas and the failure of what was a land bridge between Gibraltar and the African continent. There is also another thought put forward that a huge earthquake around the area which is Turkey could also have caused the Tsunami. Whichever, it would still explain "the great flood"