Where do you see arb heading in the next decade?

[David Humphries]

I think to satisfy the biodiversity issues that Hama was talking about we need to look at the bigger picture and not just single trees in customers back gardens. Yes taking down a mature tree is detremental but if there are several close by then the damage to the ecosystem is minimal. This does however mean planting a replacement tree or two so that in the future there are trees ready to replace the trees that have reached maturity....

 

 

 

.....and the need for system to adjust to the loss of the huge gap in age range from the denuding of the urban landscape,

will happen how?

 

 

 

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[Stephen Blair]

I think to hold a descent debate on this we have to clariffy what the 'industry' actually is. To me you either cut off the branches or tell folk which branches need cutting off. Can someone enlighten me to the bigger picture please

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I think to hold a descent debate on this we have to clariffy what the 'industry' actually is. To me you either cut off the branches or tell folk which branches need cutting off. Can someone enlighten me to the bigger picture please

 

The bigger picture is thus-

 

In order to live in an "inclusional way" something we may give many a name be that arbor ecology, sustainability, perma culture etc etc we have to adress our thinking, from the self optomised to the "inclusional" " natural nieghbourhood" way.

 

Life as we know it is on the verge of devolving, and if we continue on our current path of over consumption and displacement of natural resource and pushing back natural evolutionary developments by eliminating thier resources we will find ourselves in a world unable to adapt as a system, and we will pay a heavy heavy burden.

 

your children and more importantly your childrens children are going to be left in a situation wherby they have few options, theirs will be a lot that has been created by OUR shortcomings and narrow minded views.

 

We need to stop thinking as self, and start thinking about our relationships with "natural nieghbourhoods" we are animals, in a system, but we feel outside of it, omnipitent, superior and all powerfull.

 

Nature has a way of adressing such imbalances, it is your choice, adapt and evolve your personal thinking, evolve your minds and embrace your place in the natural world, or condemn your children and grandchildren to living in an impoverished world that may be well beyond repair and redemption.

[Stephen Blair]

very well put Tony, but how do we get everyone into the same way of thinking?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

very well put Tony, but how do we get everyone into the same way of thinking?

 

By trying to encourage a more natural connection, by show and tell, by being passionate about life, about nature, and in doing so, being a contagious and encouraging influence till it becomes self perpetuating and spreads.

 

By literaly banging heads, till they submit by choice or force!

[Stephen Blair]

so basically we should be doing the 'HAMMY':biggrin:i shall take my first steps right now:thumbup1:

[scotspine1]

By trying to encourage a more natural connection, by show and tell, by being passionate about life, about nature, and in doing so, being a contagious and encouraging influence till it becomes self perpetuating and spreads.

 

There's something very suspect about willed 'passion'. You can't force people to be passionate about nature and life, you cant change the way people think by telling them what to believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

There's something very suspect about willed 'passion'. You can't force people to be passionate about nature and life, you cant change the way people think by telling them what to believe.

 

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Your post suggests you see the negative, that is a deep issue within yourself, and not something for me to influence!

 

as a child i was from my earliest memories, connected to nature in a deeply moving way, fascinated by it, empathic towards it and I have always felt happiest when within natures influence.

 

i believe this is due to the reward that comes from a deep seated connection to the natural world, and from my own personal experience, in giving a small introduction to my world, others have be awoken to a world of fascination that passed them by before.

 

all without forced will, or co-erssion, just via my own childlike contagious ability to inspire a connection to nature in others.

 

i have met people, many people who until i introduced the subject had no idea what life was in the wood besides trees, and in revealing it to them, have seen them inbark on a jpurney of discovery all of thier own.

 

if this is as you say forced will, and is as you percieve it a very suspect thing, then you my friend need to take a look in the mirror.

[Andy Collins]

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Nature has a way of adressing such imbalances, it is your choice, adapt and evolve your personal thinking, evolve your minds and embrace your place in the natural world, or condemn your children and grandchildren to living in an impoverished world that may be well beyond repair and redemption.[/quote]

 

I think this is a wonderful dream, an idealistic approach. However, since the invasion of Man, way back at the dawn of our time, we have denuded the landscape for our own gains to the extent we have now concreted, tarmacced and built on so much land we have very little in the way of natural space to speak of. The damage, my friends, is well and truly done. We already live in that impoverished world of which you speak. I honestly cannot see that many will change their ways of thinking to revert things to how they should be. I do feel it admirable that we have people such as Tony strive to get the message through, but greed willl win the day. For example, if I were to recommend that deadwood was to be left for the bugs and beetles, the client would simply go elsewhere and get the job done anyway, regardless of any advice given.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I think this is a wonderful dream, an idealistic approach. However, since the invasion of Man, way back at the dawn of our time, we have denuded the landscape for our own gains to the extent we have now concreted, tarmacced and built on so much land we have very little in the way of natural space to speak of. The damage, my friends, is well and truly done. We already live in that impoverished world of which you speak. I honestly cannot see that many will change their ways of thinking to revert things to how they should be. I do feel it admirable that we have people such as Tony strive to get the message through, but greed willl win the day. For example, if I were to recommend that deadwood was to be left for the bugs and beetles, the client would simply go elsewhere and get the job done anyway, regardless of any advice given.

 

it is this attitude that fills me with dread, and I will share something with you now, this post has brought a tear to my eyes andy.

 

hope can only exist if we nurture the nature.

 

yee gods give me the strength to keep this up.