NPTC/LANTRA assessment failures

[Mark Bolam]

5th, before you lose your shit, further training/assessment is never wasted time or money.

You always learn stuff.

Getting good people like Terry Banyard or Minty out on a decent sized job is still very much on the radar.

[Mark J]

On my CS38 I clipped my strop onto my hoodie, not the D rings as I thought. Launched the mainline a bit higher, clipped back in then noticed. The assessor didn't see it. 

[5thelement]

1 hour ago, Joe Newton said:

The problem is, training and assessing is a business for these people. Arb companies want to pay their money and get a ticket. A training provider with a lower pass rate will struggle for work.

 

Same with assessors. If they're too tough and look for a reason to fail candidates, the training provider will just use a different more amenable assessor in future.

 

Not saying it's right, but it's definitely a huge factor. 

I know of a few assessors that are rarely booked by certain colleges/training providers because they regularly fail candidates, not because they are c*nts, but because they are thorough, do the job right and make the right call. 
I use these guys to assess my candidates whenever I am back in the UK because of this, the candidates always know they have performed well and earned their stripes. 

[5thelement]

30 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

5th, before you lose your shit, further training/assessment is never wasted time or money.

You always learn stuff.

Getting good people like Terry Banyard or Minty out on a decent sized job is still very much on the radar.

This is the main problem that I hear about. 
People need to do their homework and not just rock up at the nearest college/training providers because of locality, due diligence is required to get the right Instructors that are right for your requirements. 
If you have been in the game twenty years, your probably not going to learn anything on a refresher day at the local college, where the instructor is last years star student with little to zero industry experience.

[Mark Bolam]

On my 38 training I had literally never climbed a tree on rope and harness before.

I’d climbed telecomms towers for years, but this was totally different.

Day 2 and I’m 40’ up an oak, climbing on both ends of a 45m rope having to tie a bowline or fig 8 every time I moved.

 

The instructor, nice guy, talked me through every step. I was clueless.

Suddenly, he pointed out I was completely unattached, his bad.

FFS!

That was at Plumpton.

[5thelement]

10 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

On my 38 training I had literally never climbed a tree on rope and harness before.

I’d climbed telecomms towers for years, but this was totally different.

Day 2 and I’m 40’ up an oak, climbing on both ends of a 45m rope having to tie a bowline or fig 8 every time I moved.

 

The instructor, nice guy, talked me through every step. I was clueless.

Suddenly, he pointed out I was completely unattached, his bad.

FFS!

That was at Plumpton.

Plumpton, who was Instructing you then?

[Mark Bolam]

I honestly can’t remember his name, it was decades ago.

I’ll check my paper files and see if I can find a name.

It wasn’t the living legend Pardoe!

 

He drove a little jeep thing from memory?

 

It wasn’t you was it?!!!

[5thelement]

44 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I honestly can’t remember his name, it was decades ago.

I’ll check my paper files and see if I can find a name.

It wasn’t the living legend Pardoe!

 

He drove a little jeep thing from memory?

 

It wasn’t you was it?!!!

Nah, not me, never been anywhere near Plumpton.

I’m sure they will be long gone by now, just like Mr. Pardoe, sailing into the sunset and enjoying life. 👍

[kram]

4 hours ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I'm guessing that's lantra certs,bit like npors -same person trains and asses you?

Never had lantra certs or training 

I explained badly, all NPTC tickets. For the rail ones, hedge and brush cutter, we had been using the tools for months so didnt get any training except the new giy got a brief half hour lesson by other staff.

 

I left rail before doing any more.

Cs30,31,38,39 were trained by an old guy who called himself an assesor. I wanted to skip the training to just have the assesments thorugh him, as I knew what I was doing, knew how to do the cuts, used chainbrake  correctly etc.. He insisted in training and that he couldnt then assess me, so I'd have to wait, he dragged it out over several months...and then he doubled his training cost for cs38 39 and I had to pay it or find someone else which I'd already tried and given up on..

 

He got somone over from Ireland who apparently assesses other instructors. Well that would explain why the standards are a bit shite then...

 

..Those that can't, teach...

 

 

 

[Stubby]

I do remember  back in 1806 when I was doing my CSwhatever it was that the assessor commented that it was obvious to him I had used a saw for some time but that I had a couple of bad habits . I was undercutting a limb about a foot DIA and pushing the saw with my right thigh like you do ( or maybe you guys don't ) . He said I should keep my leg out of alignment with the bar . So I had to bend a bit more and pull it up with my arms loosing a bout 80% efficiency I thought . However I finished it his way of course . He then asked if we had been tought  undercutting as he had not seen any of the other candidates doing it . I said no we hadn't . It was getting on a bit and there was a girl on the course who was struggling a bit and he asked me if I would go and help her out . So I finished some of her cutting and stacking and rasherd up the brash . As far as I can remember he passed us all .