World gone mad...

[Mike Hill]

11 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

That is the way it works in my world, he signs off my work, then I pay him for the tickets if my work meets the required standards. Or I could just send him the dollar, (what does that actually mean!?) Before I've clapped eyes on him.

 

Or

 

He was afraid you were a rank amateur and you wouldn't pay if he refused to sign off substandard work?

 

I have gotten this with tree reports. If what I recommend goes against the wishes of the client they kick up a fuss.

 

 

[eggsarascal]

3 hours ago, Mike Hill said:

 

Or

 

He was afraid you were a rank amateur and you wouldn't pay if he refused to sign off substandard work?

 

I have gotten this with tree reports. If what I recommend goes against the wishes of the client they kick up a fuss.

 

 

Back in the real world,  for around the same money some trades wouldn't have bothered with the inspection and got it signed off anyway, so I'm told 

 

I on the other hand try to do things the right way.

[Mike Hill]

21 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Back in the real world,  for around the same money some trades wouldn't have bothered with the inspection and got it signed off anyway, so I'm told 

 

I on the other hand try to do things the right way.

 

I don't understand?

 

If you paid the money upfront,what was your guarantee that he would even show up,let alone inspect it?

 

 

[AHPP]

And for the opposition, what's the guarantee that when the bloke takes the time to come over he doesn't find that eggs has gone to the pub, changed his mind, got someone else in quicker etc and not said anything? People will muck you about like that.

 

Fewer and fewer people are willing to do trade work. Tradesmen are in demand and in strong negotiating positions.

[Steven P]

Got to be a bit of trust in both directions, the customer has a vested interest most times to be available as agreed - they want the stuff doing and if they are out then the stuff isn't done - and the trader wants to do the job to get paid - but both sides have to trust that the other will do as expected, 90% of the time I think that happens. I expect to pay a small premium to the trader to cover their losses if a customer doesn't pay - included as a part of their rates.

 

I'd also go that the trader has probably more experience at reclaiming fees if they arn't paid - small claims court where as the customer probably has no experience claiming for any losses (hiring someone new, taking time off to be in again and so on), the trader has more chance of getting their money back through the legal systems I reckon. Trader also knows where you live - some traders live in a van and vanish as soon as the cash is paid... so back to my first comment, I would see it as a warning that upfront payment is needed. Could build up a conversation with the trader to build your confidence that they will turn up I guess.

 

But... it all comes down to trust.

[AHPP]

Of course. But where there isn't enough, the deal is happening on my terms or not happening. That's the approach eggs's contractor is taking. Or maybe he's just dodgy.

[John Shutler]

maybe eggs reputation precedes him

[Tree monkey 1682]

19 hours ago, AHPP said:

I do it sometimes where it's not even necessary for my protection - to normalise it. I'm fed up hearing about scum clients taking tradesmen for a ride so I'm nudging the market towards being safer for us. Similar activism as charging what I dayrate charge for freelance climbing (usually starts with a 4 or 5, sometimes a 3 or 6). I decided rates were a piss-take and I was going to push them up. You're welcome.

 

Or I'm a chancer. Whichever.

I used to do it with building firms ,moneys in account for labour and building materials,  then id start work if the job was cancelled the money was in a separate account and it could be refunded .

I never got burned , rather not have the job than be screwed over or acting like a bank for clients , f that I'm not registered as a charity !!!

[eggsarascal]

2 hours ago, John Shutler said:

maybe eggs reputation precedes him

I've never dicked anyone, don’t believe me? Ask the folk of this parish who I have travelled this country to work for.

 

Don't  start me you prick.

[John Shutler]

5 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

I've never dicked anyone, don’t believe me? Ask the folk of this parish who I have travelled this country to work for.

 

Don't  start me you prick.

 

it’s to easy 🤣

i imagine it’s a bit like carp fishing, chuck a bait out and wait for a bite