Cs 40/41

[bob]

Yes the equipment has changed (a little) BUT for the better, so I would argue that if you were safe with the old more dangerous equipment you should be even safer with the new safer gear.

 

Did truck drivers have to take a retest when power steering came in??

 

not getting into this

but even truck drivers now have to do update training or they will lose there licence by 2014

so think of a different one:thumbup:

[skyhuck]

not getting into this

but even truck drivers now have to do update training or they will lose there licence by 2014

so think of a different one:thumbup:

 

But that will be law mate, not a recommendation or guide line

[skyhuck]

Looks like I don't need any certs, as I have been useing a saw since before 1998

 

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg317.pdf

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Here he goes (who keeps inviting him 'on forum'?...aghhh!)

 

The HSE guidance cited, states:

 

"However, in the agricultural sector, this requirement only

applies to first-time users of a chainsaw.’

This means everyone working with chainsaws on or in trees should hold such a

certificate or award unless:

■ it is being done as part of agricultural operations (eg hedging, clearing fallen

branches, pruning trees to maintain clearance for machines); and

■ the work is being done by the occupier or their employees; and

■ they have used a chainsaw before 5 December 1998.

In any case, operators using chainsaws for any task in agriculture or any

other industry must be competent under PUWER 98.

 

Essentially unless you are a 'farmer', or a farmers direct employee, pruning/cutting your(his) own trees for machinery clearance then you ain't exempted. Certainly this argument wouldn't wash with HSE should it be challenged at all. The ACOP (Approved Code of Practice) to the PUWER Regs. clearly state a requirement for a 'certificate of competence' where chainsaws are being used.

 

Further, having spoken to several people who act as 'expert witness' to the courts, the requirement for 'update/refersher' traing seems to be very important too (which is in line with guidance in AFAG 801 Training & Certification).

 

Lastly, in respect of AC status, we require to observe a sectional felling (or similar), incorporating 'rigging', as part of the assessment/reassessment AND we do require that CS41 be in place AND that 'both ends' of the rigging system demonstrate 'competence' during the operation. ("Grannies, eggs & sucks" but remember the chainsaw skills utilised in a take-down situation, as in those observed as part of CS41, are fundamentally different from other chainsaw tickets obtained. To date, as I understand it, the training /assessment offered here has been hugely variable (based on anecdotal evidence) and often down to the individual skills of the 'trainer/assessor' involved in the absence of a 'standard'. Hopefully the recent 'rigging research' undertaken will better inform this and result in a 'standard' to be applied consistently)

 

Re-CS 40, to be honest this is entirely based on the 'work quality' observations, if it's good then no, if it's bad then yes (as part of an improvement programme), if it's mediocre then maybe. In other words we don't class it as 'essential'.

 

Hope that's of help (soz if not!)

 

Cheers..

Paul

[john dawson]

here we go again!

 

yep ive got both tickets.

 

the tickets are required, but the biggest prob is that it means nowt if you dont do as youv been told!!

 

we all know that doing things by the book down to the last letter is nigh on impossible, but that doesnt mean you can cut the corners on purpose!!

 

most people wont get those two tickets cus they think they are covered by 38/39.

 

just like doing a small trees felling cut on a large tree, they only have 31, and dont need 32/33 cus they use a ridiculously big saw with an oversized bar instead!!

[shabz1978]

i have both, but don't see the sense in cs 40 (is that the pruning one?) since it isn't particularly a health and safety orientated certificate. it's more a quality thing. it'd be crazy to make people do it for insurance purposes. more a british standard thing i'd say

[john dawson]

ive got both.

 

and yes it is a required ticket.

 

just like felling large trees on a small tree ticket, your just askin 4 trouble.

[Stephen Blair]

i learnt more on my 40 than any other, i would recommend it to everyone

[skyhuck]

and yes it is a required ticket.

 

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Required by who?

[Stephen Blair]

he he he