Climbing rope diameter and tennis elbow

[Stere]

I tried some waterproof gloves like the above they were unpleasantly  sweaty as don't breath.

 

 

 

 

Imo better  solution is to just to carry several spare pairs so you just swap when ones get wet. Unless you are actually working with hands in a river or pressure washing etc.....thenuse  proper waterproof ones

 

I bought some ones based on abrasion resistance  stats and am happy with them. Have just bought another 10 pack.

 

Tornado Contour Avenger Safety Gloves - Pack of 10 Pairs - Size 10 / XL

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Like them better  than the basic  pfanner

 

I don't use/get on with the   thermal gloves  never found it  that cold in the UK i needed them as hands always warm enough when moving/ working.

 

 

 

Think i run warm as  I can't stand the gortex lined boots either as  feet just get to warm and sweat unless Im just standing still. Imo   leather boots are ruined when they stopped being leather lined and use  gortex liners...but they all have it now....

[Rich Rule]

1 hour ago, kram said:

I'm not ignoring it, I looked at the pfanner in local shop a while back, I didnt think they'd be any better in the wet and I already have these which are adequate on an icy day if its dry. I can tolerate cold and wet better than most people.

 

I looked up the pfanner, this is their result

Not good.

 

I do need a few pairs for wet work so have had a good search. I think they need to be fully coated and some are coated just to the wrist, others coated to the cuff. I expect if the cuff gets wet it will wick up through the glove and also chill the wrist. Even so, the fully coated to cuff ones dont seem to have a EN511 cold rating.

 

I am going to order a pair of each to try. These score 021, so they are waterproof.

https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/safety/cold-condition-gloves/8833-cold-and-waterproof-glove-size-9/p/ZT3737827S

 

These are 03x, so water is untested, still they are fully coated so should give some water resistance. Worth trying I think.

https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/safety/cold-condition-gloves/grip-it-oil-therm-yellow-black-cold-resistant-gloves-size-9/p/ZT1177199X

 

 

We get a quite a few options for cold weather working gloves here in Norway.

 

The ones with the latex on the back tend to keep your hands wet as the sweat doesn’t evaporate.  Hence I use cotton backed ones.

 

Depending on the temps I might change the pfanner ice grip out midday.  But the cold is pretty dry here, if that makes sense:  2 degrees and rain is much worse to work in than -10 and dry IME.

 

 

[kram]

31 minutes ago, Stere said:

I tried some waterproof gloves like the above they were unpleasantly  sweaty as don't breath.

On the sort freezing wet day I would use them, my hands wont be sweating!

 

The day I needed them was around 2c with persistant light rain/sleet/snow and I was deadwooding a large oak. Due to the size I used a throwball to get my ropes up, which took ages - Im not good at it, so before I started climbing my hands were already soaked and frozen. Swapped gloves to climb but it didnt help much. I gave up and went home (was on my own that day).

The next day was colder but dry. I had it all done in a few hours, no problems.

 

My order of some more Mapa582's just arrived. 5 pairs for a tenner delivered by parcelforce. I'm sure they must be loosing money on it.

Edited December 24, 2024 by kram

[Rich Rule]

Kram, do you have a link to the pfanner stats you posted a couple of posts ago.

 

I’ve been looking in the Outerwear site and the pfanner site and can’t find anything.

 

Those Orange Tegera are pretty good until they get too sweaty then they just turn a bit rank IME.

 

 

[Mark Bolam]

That’s the sort of situation that I find difficult.

I have Raynards in my hands so cold and wet is my nemesis.

 

You hit a good point earlier about having multiple pairs of gloves.

 

In your earlier situation you should have jumped back in the truck and warmed up before going for it.

 

I’m seriously thinking of buying some heated mitts so I can quickly get life back into my hands when I start losing all sensation.

[Mark Bolam]

5 minutes ago, Rich Rule said:

Kram, do you have a link to the pfanner stats you posted a couple of posts ago.

 

I’ve been looking in the Outerwear site and the pfanner site and can’t find anything.

 

Those Orange Tegera are pretty good until they get too sweaty then they just turn a bit rank IME.

 

 

They are on the Sam Turner website mate.

I find them so surprising I suspect they may be wrong.

They’re the toastiest gloves I’ve found for climbing.

 

Unless the scale is based on arctic mittens made of polar bear fur and uranium or something.

 

They’re £7 Kram, just buy a pair and see what you think.

[Stere]

 

 

@kram  TEGERA® 517

 

 

 

 

 

[kram]

1 hour ago, Mark Bolam said:

They are on the Sam Turner website mate.

I find them so surprising I suspect they may be wrong.

They’re the toastiest gloves I’ve found for climbing.

 

Unless the scale is based on arctic mittens made of polar bear fur and uranium or something.

 

They’re £7 Kram, just buy a pair and see what you think.

Yes the scale is something like that. Thin gloves that are suitable to climb in will never score highly.

https://www.sam-turner.co.uk/products/pfanner-stretchflex-ice-grip-gloves

1 hour ago, Mark Bolam said:

 

I’m seriously thinking of buying some heated mitts so I can quickly get life back into my hands when I start losing all sensation.

I used to commute everywhere by motor bike, cbr600. 25 miles in icy -12c at 120mph. Quite cold! Without the right gloves, my hands would be completely numb, and that happened more than once.

 

The solution was a pair of Spada Enforcers, which are a very warm winter bike glove, with a pair of chinese heated liners. A bit of a pain to get the liners in but they generally stay in place. This sort of thing

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bagima-Electric-Heating-Adjuatable-Cycling/dp/B0C6TMMQB1/

 

Not going to fit in climbing gloves. If they get wet, you will get tingly, burning shocks on your hand. However if its just to warm up in a big pair of dry gloves it'll work.

 

If I could get bike up the hills to the main gritted road, it was generally safe enough. I did over 100k miles on that bike.

 

There were a few expensive brands selling proper heated gloves. I bought them all, wanted them to work, sadly all rubbish with low heat output, tried and returned them, the heat was nkt enough a d gloves worse than the Spada's. May have improved by now.. that was years ago. The chinese inserts were hot, they could burn you if on full power for any length of time. On low power they were pleasant.

Edited December 24, 2024 by kram

[Rich Rule]

3 hours ago, Mark Bolam said:

They are on the Sam Turner website mate.

I find them so surprising I suspect they may be wrong.

They’re the toastiest gloves I’ve found for climbing.

 

Unless the scale is based on arctic mittens made of polar bear fur and uranium or something.

 

They’re £7 Kram, just buy a pair and see what you think.

Yes I think there is a mistake or misunderstanding somewhere.  Norwegians know how to work in the cold and the ice grip are recommended by Arb suppliers over here for some of the best grip and dexterity in winter work scenarios.

 

Therein lies the rub.  I could very easily where my -40c black diamond mittens but opening bina’s would be a bit of a faff.

[Dan Maynard]

50 minutes ago, Rich Rule said:

but opening Nina’s would be a bit of a faff.

Definitely take them off before you go inside to Nina