Russia Invades ukraine

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Stubby said:

On Sunday Ukraine destroyed a Russian SU57 stealth fighter on the ground , on a military base deep inside Russia .

And who's missile, it's certainly wasn't built, designed or fired by the Ukrainians.

 

Which begs the question, how many others we're fired, intercepted and what are they going to do in retaliation as they'll choose a moment.

 

Revenge is a dish best served cold, and to quote Red October. "Russians Dont Take A Dump, Son, Without A Plan"

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, GarethM said:

And who's missile, it's certainly wasn't built, designed or fired by the Ukrainians.

 

Which begs the question, how many others we're fired, intercepted and what are they going to do in retaliation as they'll choose a moment.

 

Revenge is a dish best served cold, and to quote Red October. "Russians Dont Take A Dump, Son, Without A Plan"

It was not a missile . It was a relatively slow moving drone  guided by the Ukrainians . So much for the air defense .   Out of interest are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

[GarethM]

So what you're saying is it was one of those low signature Australian made cardboard drone planes, which would still require satellite data as a drone is about 10km, unless they're using the mobile phone network?.

 

Which are pretty much undetectable, but again they'll have their revenge.

[Stubby]

Just now, GarethM said:

So what you're saying is it was one of those low signature Australian made cardboard drone planes, which would still require satellite data as a drone is about 10km, unless they're using the mobile phone network?.

 

Which are pretty much undetectable, but again they'll have their revenge.

What I am saying is Ukraine destroyed the Russian stealth fighter on the ground .  I am sure Zelenskyy is aware of the potential for Russia attacking the F16s on the ground and will mitigate against it . Are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

[GarethM]

4 minutes ago, Stubby said:

What I am saying is Ukraine destroyed the Russian stealth fighter on the ground .  I am sure Zelenskyy is aware of the potential for Russia attacking the F16s on the ground and will mitigate against it . Are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

You can't mitigate or even protect from a hypersonic missile, low collateral damage is a bonus. It's like armour piercing on a tank, it'll get through whatever is in its way.

 

I'm neither to be honest, in most conflicts there is no winner. All your really doing is feeding the big business of the arms industry.

 

With the reality being, how are you going to both save face and Boris slapped that down on who's orders we don't know.

 

OTAN is useless and you can't have a Cyprus style DMZ, so make it the Crimean river as the world can't keep paying billions for a proxy war.

 

What other alternative is there, well you could say back to the old border, but then it's a land border with what a Korea style mined DMZ ?.

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28 minutes ago, Stubby said:

 Are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

8 minutes ago, GarethM said:

I'm neither to be honest, in most conflicts there is no winner. All your really doing is feeding the big business of the arms industry.

 

One of the very few instances in modern warfare where we have the luxury of an obvious good guys and bad guys, for want of a more nuanced phrase, and you still find yourself on the fence. Quite predictable, I have to say.

 

It goes without saying: Team Ukraine, 2014 borders, **************** Russia. In case anyone needs things spelled out.

[Stubby]

10 minutes ago, GarethM said:

You can't mitigate or even protect from a hypersonic missile, low collateral damage is a bonus. It's like armour piercing on a tank, it'll get through whatever is in its way.

 

I'm neither to be honest, in most conflicts there is no winner. All your really doing is feeding the big business of the arms industry.

 

With the reality being, how are you going to both save face and Boris slapped that down on who's orders we don't know.

 

OTAN is useless and you can't have a Cyprus style DMZ, so make it the Crimean river as the world can't keep paying billions for a proxy war.

 

What other alternative is there, well you could say back to the old border, but then it's a land border with what a Korea style mined DMZ ?.

I understand your thinking on it . The Russian un defeatable hypersonic  missile is not as good as it has been proclaimed . They have been shot down already . I don't know what the answer is either but I see Russia invade Ukraine and take them to be the aggressor and I think Putin is a cnut . Sooo I want Ukraine to push Russia out of Ukraine and out of the previously annexed Crimea and other areas . The chance of that happening are slim to none I know but , never say never !  Before Russia went into Ukraine there was no ( physical ) war .

[GarethM]

From what I've gleaned over the years it was mostly a Cuba style missiles on our doorstep that pushed things over the edge.

 

Not the greatest argument when you can fire a missile on any point on the planet but you can understand the mindset, a man with a missile Vs a man blowing you a raspberry with a rifle.

 

Both are IMO utter cnuts, I have no objections about standard munitions, but in WW2 it was lend lease on everything including the ships.

 

Or as my mother pointed out the scruffy oik didn't even wear a shirt for the WW2 commemorates.

[Stubby]

19 minutes ago, GarethM said:

From what I've gleaned over the years it was mostly a Cuba style missiles on our doorstep that pushed things over the edge.

 

Not the greatest argument when you can fire a missile on any point on the planet but you can understand the mindset, a man with a missile Vs a man blowing you a raspberry with a rifle.

 

Both are IMO utter cnuts, I have no objections about standard munitions, but in WW2 it was lend lease on everything including the ships.

 

Or as my mother pointed out the scruffy oik didn't even wear a shirt for the WW2 commemorates.

Thing is if Putin keeps on keeping on he is going to run out of Russian males . Already over 600K dead or wounded . Thy are deserting in droves as well , lots taken prisoner .

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Stubby said:

Thing is if Putin keeps on keeping on he is going to run out of Russian males . Already over 600K dead or wounded . Thy are deserting in droves as well , lots taken prisoner .

Nah, it's a huge country I'm sure getting paid in USA dollar or Euros they'll fight.

 

Might even be a tactic to let them get captured, makes the enemy use more logistics & resources which are what win or lose a war.

 

It's the modern equivalent of wounding not killing the enemy, it ties up more resources.

 

Something like 5 to one vs 1 dead and a unit of still fighting enemies.