Russia Invades ukraine

[Stubby]

12 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And where are these F16 planes based ?.

 

If I was Putin, I would be tracking them all the way home and tactically bunker busting each one as a statement of fly in our airspace and you'll pay the price.

And if you were Zelenskyy would you track all the Russian Sukhoi SU 57 jets and tactically bunker bust each one as a statement of fly in our airspace and you'll pay the price ?

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5 minutes ago, Stubby said:

And if you were Zelenskyy would you track all the Russian Sukhoi SU 57 jets and tactically bunker bust each one as a statement of fly in our airspace and you'll pay the price ?

 

I would say "Oi! Putin! Nooooo!"

 

[GarethM]

Just now, Stubby said:

And if you were Zelenskyy would you track all the Russian Sukhoi SU 57 jets and tactically bunker bust each one as a statement of fly in our airspace and you'll pay the price ?

Poor argument, Russia would have the tactical advantage of being able to intercept and destroy the missile and the launcher as the bases are a long way inside Russia.

 

Plus, if Ukraine fired the missiles they would need other countries to help. As they are not fire and forget, requiring realtime satellite data.

 

Which would effectively an act of war via whomever helped. Supplying munitions is a lot different than missiles, airplanes and the pilots unless it's the Swiss guard as they're technically a militia.

[Stubby]

2 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Poor argument, Russia would have the tactical advantage of being able to intercept and destroy the missile and the launcher as the bases are a long way inside Russia.

 

Plus, if Ukraine fired the missiles they would need other countries to help. As they are not fire and forget, requiring realtime satellite data.

 

Which would effectively an act of war via whomever helped. Supplying munitions is a lot different than missiles, airplanes and the pilots unless it's the Swiss guard as they're technically a militia.

On Sunday Ukraine destroyed a Russian SU57 stealth fighter on the ground , on a military base deep inside Russia .

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Stubby said:

On Sunday Ukraine destroyed a Russian SU57 stealth fighter on the ground , on a military base deep inside Russia .

And who's missile, it's certainly wasn't built, designed or fired by the Ukrainians.

 

Which begs the question, how many others we're fired, intercepted and what are they going to do in retaliation as they'll choose a moment.

 

Revenge is a dish best served cold, and to quote Red October. "Russians Dont Take A Dump, Son, Without A Plan"

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, GarethM said:

And who's missile, it's certainly wasn't built, designed or fired by the Ukrainians.

 

Which begs the question, how many others we're fired, intercepted and what are they going to do in retaliation as they'll choose a moment.

 

Revenge is a dish best served cold, and to quote Red October. "Russians Dont Take A Dump, Son, Without A Plan"

It was not a missile . It was a relatively slow moving drone  guided by the Ukrainians . So much for the air defense .   Out of interest are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

[GarethM]

So what you're saying is it was one of those low signature Australian made cardboard drone planes, which would still require satellite data as a drone is about 10km, unless they're using the mobile phone network?.

 

Which are pretty much undetectable, but again they'll have their revenge.

[Stubby]

Just now, GarethM said:

So what you're saying is it was one of those low signature Australian made cardboard drone planes, which would still require satellite data as a drone is about 10km, unless they're using the mobile phone network?.

 

Which are pretty much undetectable, but again they'll have their revenge.

What I am saying is Ukraine destroyed the Russian stealth fighter on the ground .  I am sure Zelenskyy is aware of the potential for Russia attacking the F16s on the ground and will mitigate against it . Are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

[GarethM]

4 minutes ago, Stubby said:

What I am saying is Ukraine destroyed the Russian stealth fighter on the ground .  I am sure Zelenskyy is aware of the potential for Russia attacking the F16s on the ground and will mitigate against it . Are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

You can't mitigate or even protect from a hypersonic missile, low collateral damage is a bonus. It's like armour piercing on a tank, it'll get through whatever is in its way.

 

I'm neither to be honest, in most conflicts there is no winner. All your really doing is feeding the big business of the arms industry.

 

With the reality being, how are you going to both save face and Boris slapped that down on who's orders we don't know.

 

OTAN is useless and you can't have a Cyprus style DMZ, so make it the Crimean river as the world can't keep paying billions for a proxy war.

 

What other alternative is there, well you could say back to the old border, but then it's a land border with what a Korea style mined DMZ ?.

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28 minutes ago, Stubby said:

 Are you pro Russia or pro Ukraine ?

8 minutes ago, GarethM said:

I'm neither to be honest, in most conflicts there is no winner. All your really doing is feeding the big business of the arms industry.

 

One of the very few instances in modern warfare where we have the luxury of an obvious good guys and bad guys, for want of a more nuanced phrase, and you still find yourself on the fence. Quite predictable, I have to say.

 

It goes without saying: Team Ukraine, 2014 borders, **************** Russia. In case anyone needs things spelled out.