Wood Burning Stove for under £1500

[trigger_andy]

13 hours ago, pancakedan said:

My third stove finished an hour ago, really pleased with it and cannot wait to light it.

Big J will love that!

[Alycidon]

On 18/02/2020 at 21:59, trigger_andy said:

Thanks for the heads-up.   Saves a lot of cash.  

 

I'll most likely get a slap on the wrist for saying this but I dont believe you need Stove installed by a qualified installer in Scotland? Does not need to be signed off either as far as Im aware? But I await to be corrected.  My Local and respected Sweep who is also an installer is happy to install whatever I buy. 

Not sure about the regs in Scotland but cant see why they would be any different from the rest of the UK.   

 

In the UK anyone can install a stove,  but it then needs signing off as safe to use by a qualified person, usually a building inspector for which there is a charge.  Hetas and Oftec both have solid fuel qualified persons schemes.

 

If an unqualified person puts it in and its not signed off if you ever have a fire your insurer will pass your claim to a loss adjuster.  He gets paid a percentage of how much he is able to reduce your claim.  So your Hetas/Oftec engineer or building inspector will register the installation of a stove in your property in whatever room its in with your local Building Control office in your town hall..   You have a fire, your insurer sends your claim to the loss adjuster, first thing he does is to ring building control and ask if there is a record of a stove being installed in whatever room of your house,  if not then your insurance is usually invalidated and your claim refused.   Loss adjuster then collects on your claim while you have a badly damaged house and no cover.

 

By all means get your mate to put it in but make sure he is conversant with the regs,  Approved Doc J 2014,  the front half of the document.    Then get it certified as safe to use.    Or use a qualified installer who will install and self certify.

 

A

[Alycidon]

On 20/02/2020 at 12:49, trigger_andy said:

Big J will love that!

What is the wall to the rear of the flue pipe constructed from ?,  plasterboard maybe ?,   how far is it from the wall to the nearest part of the pipe.

 

Pipe looks like single skin pipe,  not fully insulated.  if so please dont light it.

 

If it is fully insulated pipe then what is the minimum combustible clearance on the pipe you have used.

 

What is the minimum combustible clearance on the rear of the stove ?.

 

It looks a nice job providing you do not have a combustible rear wall within the minimum combustible clearance of the pipe or the rear of the stove.   If you have then talk to me about how to correct matters,

 

A building inspector should pick up of these points when they sign it off but many dont know the finer points of the requirements.   

 

A

[trigger_andy]

2 minutes ago, Alycidon said:

Not sure about the regs in Scotland but cant see why they would be any different from the rest of the UK.   

 

In the UK anyone can install a stove,  but it then needs signing off as safe to use by a qualified person, usually a building inspector for which there is a charge.  Hetas and Oftec both have solid fuel qualified persons schemes.

 

If an unqualified person puts it in and its not signed off if you ever have a fire your insurer will pass your claim to a loss adjuster.  He gets paid a percentage of how much he is able to reduce your claim.  So your Hetas/Oftec engineer or building inspector will register the installation of a stove in your property in whatever room its in with your local Building Control office in your town hall..   You have a fire, your insurer sends your claim to the loss adjuster, first thing he does is to ring building control and ask if there is a record of a stove being installed in whatever room of your house,  if not then your insurance is usually invalidated and your claim refused.   Loss adjuster then collects on your claim while you have a badly damaged house and no cover.

 

By all means get your mate to put it in but make sure he is conversant with the regs,  Approved Doc J 2014,  the front half of the document.    Then get it certified as safe to use.    Or use a qualified installer who will install and self certify.

 

A

Did you manage to have a look at the link I posted on page three? 

 

My Father-in-law called his insurance when he installed his stove on his own and was told he was still covered due to the laws in Scotland. 

 

An old drunk I know burned his house down due to storing logs beside a self installed Stove (badly installed at that) and they rebuild his house to new standards. 

 

But I do take on-board your points and will do some investigations before I go any further.  

 

 

[Alycidon]

On 19/02/2020 at 12:13, Johnsond said:

We went down the route of getting the two stoves we have had in our current house fitted by recommend HETAS fitters, both stoves were morso models the first a cassette type and the second a free standing model as per pic. First guy fitting the cassette type was clueless and fitted it totally wrong the result being that it would not draw. Eventually sorted it but he baled out of finishing the hearth etc as he said there was no money left in the job ??. Second free standing morso was fitted by the suppliers and we have been plagued with down draft for about 16 months, supplier came out and fitted a new cowl for £170 which had no affect in reality. Just had the chimney swept for first time and the guy who also is a registered installer said straight away that one of the vermiculite boards in the upper part of stove was fitted incorrectly and upside down ?‍♂️. He showed me how it should be located and the difference in the how the fire operates is night and day. As he said at the time just because the supplier is HETAS registered does not mean that everyone of the fitters they send out are highly proficient. This sweep has gone on to fit the lads stove and he did a cracking job. 

Nice job,  just fit some cover plates to cover the hole in the ceiling around the pipe.   The pipe needs boxing in within the room above.  Morso 6843 is a great stove for sure.

 

A

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, Alycidon said:

What is the wall to the rear of the flue pipe constructed from ?,  plasterboard maybe ?,   how far is it from the wall to the nearest part of the pipe.

 

Pipe looks like single skin pipe,  not fully insulated.  if so please dont light it.

 

If it is fully insulated pipe then what is the minimum combustible clearance on the pipe you have used.

 

What is the minimum combustible clearance on the rear of the stove ?.

 

It looks a nice job providing you do not have a combustible rear wall within the minimum combustible clearance of the pipe or the rear of the stove.   If you have then talk to me about how to correct matters,

 

A building inspector should pick up of these points when they sign it off but many dont know the finer points of the requirements.   

 

A

@pancakedan

Edited February 21, 2020 by trigger_andy

[Alycidon]

19 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Did you manage to have a look at the link I posted on page three? 

 

My Father-in-law called his insurance when he installed his stove on his own and was told he was still covered due to the laws in Scotland. 

 

An old drunk I know burned his house down due to storing logs beside a self installed Stove (badly installed at that) and they rebuild his house to new standards. 

 

But I do take on-board your points and will do some investigations before I go any further.  

 

 

Thanks for that,  we learn something every day.  I would suggest that you notify your insurer and get their approval in writing that the stove is not signed off and that they are happy with that,  and keep that letter somewhere safe.

 

A

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Alycidon said:

Thanks for that,  we learn something every day.  I would suggest that you notify your insurer and get their approval in writing that the stove is not signed off and that they are happy with that,  and keep that letter somewhere safe.

 

A

Good point.   I'll do that. 

[trigger_andy]

https://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/news/2014/feb/wood-burning-stove-safety-advice

 

Another interesting read.

[Johnsond]

10 minutes ago, Alycidon said:

Nice job,  just fit some cover plates to cover the hole in the ceiling around the pipe.   The pipe needs boxing in within the room above.  Morso 6843 is a great stove for sure.

 

A

 

Look closely it’s a chrome ring installed at top of insulated section of flue to cover hole in ceiling cut for it. House is a single storey bungalow. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Johnsond