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Just wanted some advice, as well as maybe anyones experiences, I have studied at Capel manor and gained level 2 first diploma in countryside and environment, also have done level 3 national certificate in forestry and arboriculture, cs 30/31/38/39 woodchipper stump grinder, full hgv, been in the industry around 6-7years for a large commercial company, however recently moved into working self employed, but would really like to do some more studying to get more underpinning knowledge and open up new ventures into this industry, I was thinking of either isa certification and doing as many of the approved aa courses or either distance learning for the level 4 arboriculture, if anyone could shed any advice or guidance it would be very much appreciated?

 

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The ISA will be similar to what you did for your L3, I did an ND in 1997 and the ISA in 2002, didn't learn anything new really, its pretty easy.  It wont teach to do consultancy work if that is what you have in mind.  The CEUs are a good idea I suppose but I'm not convinced about the content.

 

I did the L4 back in 2005 when it was still called the Technicians Certificate.  Its an excellent course and I cant recommend it highly enough.  I got a job as a tree officer before I had even finished the course, its a whole different level to the ISA.  I would go with this all day over the ISA if you want to do advisory work.  

 

One thing I would say about the L4 is its portfolio assessed (it was exam and management exercises when I did it) so the workload is pretty intense.  I did the L6 between 2012 and 2014 (also portfolio assessed).  I never found the level difficult but the amount of work is huge.  You need to be on it all the time, if you fall behind you will be in big trouble.  On the positive though, the learning is more complete as you have to hit 100% of the assessment criteria, with exam its only 50%.  

 

If you can though I would go day release with Tree Life, not distance learning. It is useful to discuss with others who are in the same situation.    

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I am currently on the level 4 with tree life and I can confirm the workload is big but it's doable. You will need to be 100% commuted. But it's going to be worth it.

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would is be over ambitious for me to just jump straight to level 4 having nothing beforehand? i reckon i have a decent understanding and got an A in biology for A levels, half of which is plants if that means anything

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I would suggest having a chat with the training provider about that as they will understand the qualification better than anyone else. But the course covers lots of other areas to do with trees.

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On ‎06‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 21:43, Martin du Preez said:

would is be over ambitious for me to just jump straight to level 4 having nothing beforehand? i reckon i have a decent understanding and got an A in biology for A levels, half of which is plants if that means anything

I have a biology A level, it doesn't really cross over much with the professional Arb qualifications, maybe a bit more with the academic side.  In reality though, it would get you on to an Arb foundation degree.

 

With the L4 and the L6 its more about work place skills such as analysing subsidence data, critically evaluating decay detection equipment, BS5837 reports.  You do cover stuff such as fungal colonisation strategies and modes of decay, bit about anatomy, but its much less focussed on genetics and biochemistry that the A level is, or was when I did it.  You wont have an issue with the level though in my opinion.   

 

You do need some underpinning knowledge to build on so it depends on where you are with your arb knowledge.  As Ian said, speak with the training provider and more precisely, tree life.  Dave Dowson wrote the syllabus so he knows better than anyone.  Also, go onto the ABC website and download the rules of combination for the L4 and L2 arb qualifications.  Have a look at the assessment criteria, it will give you an idea of what is covered. 

 

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How much is the level 4 with tree life? I’m considering doing it online this year but I can’t find anything about the price.

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How much is the level 4 with tree life? I’m considering doing it online this year but I can’t find anything about the price.
Give the office an email they will let you know the price.

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On ‎05‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 22:39, Chris at eden said:

The ISA will be similar to what you did for your L3, I did an ND in 1997 and the ISA in 2002, didn't learn anything new really, its pretty easy.  It wont teach to do consultancy work if that is what you have in mind.  The CEUs are a good idea I suppose but I'm not convinced about the content.

 

"...but I'm not convinced about the content"

 

Hi Chris, can you expand please...is it because it's American based? (in reality probably less than 10% I would suggest and the rest is common, USA / UK / EU...oops :D.)

 

I truly believe the ISA CA is an ideal educational supplement for craftsman arb level where some has attained their practical skills quals, e.g. Lantra or NPTC chainsaws / tree climbing, to give a better understanding of trees and their requirements etc.

 

Cheers,

Paul  

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13 hours ago, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

I truly believe the ISA CA is an ideal educational supplement...

 

Cheers,

Paul  

Care to explain why Paul. I'd be interested to know if there's a reason, other than your undeclared interest in promoting the ISA qualifications.

 

Doing the Level 4 ABC Award leads seamlessly into the Level 6 providing a good route to educational progression. These are the recognised qualifications that UK employers are looking for, whether it be for an arb manager, tree officer or consultant.

 

As Chris says, it's a lot of work. The level 6 even more. You need to be committed, and plan your time. But if you get down to it then you will get there, and it's worth it.

 

As for the CEU's, arent these effectively CPD, which we should all be doing anyway.

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