Pine ID

[treerjb]

Trying to ID this 2 needle pine, needles about 5" in length, cones in clusters.

Its not scots, shore or lodgepole, may be a black pine, but bark / cones doesnt look like Austrian or Corsican.

May be a japanese red? I find 2 needle pines  confusing to ID.

[Wonky]

I’d say 

Austrian

 

but don’t take my word for it. 

[treerjb]

Yes, may be Austrian, but foliage is normally bit darker, cones look very similar though thanks.

[AJStrees]

I am reckoning it is closest to Pinus pinaster, judging by the length of the pair of needles and shape and length of the cones. Plus Pinus nigra has darker foliage and it has a more upright habit. 

 

Not a pine specialist but looking through Phillips' book on trees in Britain, Europe (don't mention Brexit) and north america, pine section, gives you a lot of good data to go on.  

[treerjb]

Thanks for the reply, I think the needles for Pinaster are normally longer than these ones. I see a lot of Pinaster in Bournemouth and the cones are normally larger too. Pines are always a hard species for me to ID.

[Stere]

Cheating but I found an app

 

http://identify.plantnet-project.org/query/weurope/

 

 

[Stere]

Quote

Pinus nigra

Arnold. Black pine

Pyrenees, Cevennes, Alps, Corsica and South East

Europe to Crimea and Asia Minor. The geographical forms

are silviculturally and arboriculturally distinct and since

Pinus nigra

is not an entity there will be no general descrip­

tion.

 

Pinus nigra  var. nigra

Pinus nigra  var. caramanica

Pinus nigra  var. cebennensis

Pinus nigra  var. maritima

 

So if its a  nigra theres 4 different ones......

 

Even more types. here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_nigra

Edited February 3, 2019 by Stere

[treerjb]

Yes, it is not dissimilar to caraminica (Crimean) as the bole has split, but the Crimean ones I have seen have multiple stems. All the typical Austrian pine I have seen have single boles and more heavily branched.

[daltontrees]

Folks might find this (attachment) useful as a first way of identifying 2 needle pines by needle length.

Pine needle lengths.pdf

[Gary Prentice]

This key may help, but it is fairly heavy going, particularly on the botanical terminology.

Key_Pinus_JDL.pdf