How long is too long for mill trailer

[agrimog]

leegray, I can assure you the woodland mills trailer is anything but "cheap bent metal", it is one of the strongest constructions I have built, trailer wise, for years, most of the material ranges from 6mm plate, 8mmplate, and a massive 10mm plate in stregnthening points, the indespension units are way better than even the 3.5 ton units sold in this country and it comes with proper high load wheels and 10 ply tyres, even the bolts supplied are all 10.9 high tensile ones, cant see any uk or european manufacturer doing that, and as for weight, my hm126 over my own calbrated scales.......735kg ready to mill

[LeeGray]

10 minutes ago, agrimog said:

leegray, I can assure you the woodland mills trailer is anything but "cheap bent metal", it is one of the strongest constructions I have built, trailer wise, for years, most of the material ranges from 6mm plate, 8mmplate, and a massive 10mm plate in stregnthening points, the indespension units are way better than even the 3.5 ton units sold in this country and it comes with proper high load wheels and 10 ply tyres, even the bolts supplied are all 10.9 high tensile ones, cant see any uk or european manufacturer doing that, and as for weight, my hm126 over my own calbrated scales.......735kg ready to mill

That’s great to hear, finally someone who has some actual experience...much better than us all guessing what the crack is! How long is yours including the drawbar? Do you tow with your mog or truck and is it quick to set up? 

 

Did it need type approving somewhere or have any issues insuring it? Cheers, Lee

 

 

[agrimog]

overall length is just under 18ft, the drawbar adds around another 5 to the overall length this is with one extra set of rails on it, I tow it with a, the mog, b, my lt van, and c, my compact tractor, set up time depends on what surface you have on site, it can be as litle as 5 minutes on good level hardstanding, to 20mins-half hour if I have to f**k about on an uneven soft bit, you soon get the knack, a 4ft level and a 10ft straightedge are a must, as for type approval.........its not a trailer, its a specialist machine, the trailer and mill are integral to each other, the two bolt together and thats one of the reasons its so strong, the mill isnt sitting on a seperate chassis, its very clever, so no type approval reqd, and as for insurannce, ask your insurer, mine just said its a trailer as far as were concerned, and your covered

[trigger_andy]

3 hours ago, agrimog said:

overall length is just under 18ft, the drawbar adds around another 5 to the overall length this is with one extra set of rails on it, I tow it with a, the mog, b, my lt van, and c, my compact tractor, set up time depends on what surface you have on site, it can be as litle as 5 minutes on good level hardstanding, to 20mins-half hour if I have to f**k about on an uneven soft bit, you soon get the knack, a 4ft level and a 10ft straightedge are a must, as for type approval.........its not a trailer, its a specialist machine, the trailer and mill are integral to each other, the two bolt together and thats one of the reasons its so strong, the mill isnt sitting on a seperate chassis, its very clever, so no type approval reqd, and as for insurannce, ask your insurer, mine just said its a trailer as far as were concerned, and your covered

Really helpful advice. Cheers.

 

Im looking at buying the HM130 Woodlander XL later this week when the cash clears.

 

How do you find the HM126?

 

Ive just been reading up on the new Logosol B751 but it has no reviews and no Trailer option, but sure looks good. 

 

Do you find you get much Milling jobs in Ayrshire? Im hoping to set up in the North East of Scotland and get a few paying jobs in a year.

 

How do you advertise? 

[openspaceman]

16 hours ago, Justme said:

If its over 750kg MLPM then it must have brakes unless its for a tractor then there are some regs re the ratio between tractor & trailer.

Yes it is possible for a trailed agricultural implement but pushing the boundary a bit

[Justme]

6 hours ago, openspaceman said:

Yes it is possible for a trailed agricultural implement but pushing the boundary a bit

Not just implements. Trailers too if the max weights are OK.

[Justme]

20 hours ago, LeeGray said:

Cheap and cheerful would be to buy a caravan chassis, cut the width down and weld/bolt upto track. Plenty of trailer part places online but new wheels, tyres, brakes, braked hitch, lights and 8 box jacks will add up if decent quality. 800kg Sidewinder jacks are about £50 each to start.

Will need an IVA test due to the alterations.

[openspaceman]

6 hours ago, Justme said:

Not just implements. Trailers too if the max weights are OK.

I may have missed some posts in the thread as I have been away and was responding from my cellphone.

 

AFAICS any agricultural trailer over 750kgs must have brakes.

 

The exception is for an Agricultural Trailed Appliance  which did not require brakes or suspension if they weighed less than 1420kgs, did not exceed 20mph and did not carry a load. If more than one axle then compensation (like a pivoting bogey) is required to keep all wheels on the road.

 

Now some C&U regs may have been changed to allow for the increase in speed for ordinary tractors from 20mph to 25mph, I cannot see that atm.

 

I'd be interested to see where you can see other trailers over 750kg behind a tractor can be unbraked.

[Justme]

13 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

I may have missed some posts in the thread as I have been away and was responding from my cellphone.

 

AFAICS any agricultural trailer over 750kgs must have brakes.

 

The exception is for an Agricultural Trailed Appliance  which did not require brakes or suspension if they weighed less than 1420kgs, did not exceed 20mph and did not carry a load. If more than one axle then compensation (like a pivoting bogey) is required to keep all wheels on the road.

 

Now some C&U regs may have been changed to allow for the increase in speed for ordinary tractors from 20mph to 25mph, I cannot see that atm.

 

I'd be interested to see where you can see other trailers over 750kg behind a tractor can be unbraked.

Its an old regulation for tractors like grey Ferguson's mf135's etc. That were never designed for towing. If I remember right the max trailer weigh had to be less than 50% of the tractors weight and it had a max weight too of sub again if I remember right 3000kg.

Re the tractor speed increase I din't see any changes re tractor trailers.

[Justme]