The who can get most outraged at bad treework thread.

[Khriss]

26 minutes ago, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

Good evening 'Mr Dempsey'...that hurt!

We advocate pruning to BS3998 as the norm but wholly accept that often 'the spec' comes first, as would appear to be the case here. I know you've often been cynical when I've been advocating 'THE' British Standard but surely it's healthy to have a balanced debate then people can make their own decisions what to do.

Paul

 

PS Believe or not I was "with you" here as, whilst not BS3998 pruning, it could be the start of a pollard regime. 

Mate, there ain't no spec on these jobs. Clueless cutting to a contract price. K

[Khriss]

This is a good tree which would be of value in an urban treescape . Pruning it to meet Highways spec then easing it from the commercial property would have been quicker and better fr tree health. Now yr left with dead ends. Tree stressed so more likelihood of decay. Reaction growth with weak unions and higher cost to tax payer. K

Edited April 29, 2019 by Khriss
Could have pruned it better with 2 belts thru a 0.50 calibre Browning!

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

haha...none taken

 

I think the word 'context,' as you described comes to mind with your Goat Willow n Beech trees.

 

Tbh, albeit some time ago now, we did initiate a project, a photographic guide, of "how" different pruning operations may be applied / look on different tree species...and by differing amounts (percentages etc...shhhh.) Unfortunately it rather fell flat on its face quite quickly as it was realized how much work was involved and how much time it would likely take .  

 

In practice, "the day job" at the Association takes up more than my allotted time and we hope that members (and non-members potentially) and 'working groups' will lead and produce stuff like this facilitated, and assisted, by us...so if you've ever got a coupla hours spare.

 

 as it cites in the Foreword - BS3998 is to be applied by experts in any given situation as it's sets out broad principles...AND it challenges said experts to be able to justify any deviation from said principles (perhaps interpreted as they can't / won't be applied in all situations.)

 

Wish I had the 'intellect' to suitably respond to your comment about being a 'pseudo governing body' and 'diktats'...other than the fact we don't see ourselves that way at all, well maybe just a little  

 

Cheers Mick,

Paul

 

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

12 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

What do you mean by “butt cuts”?

Another term sometimes used is 'truncated', meaning inter-nodal cuts, i.e. between nodes / buds / "suitable secondary growth points, often resulting in multiple regrowth points from dormant buds, i.e. reaction growth.

 

The other term mention was 'panic regrowth' which, IME, is not necessarily associated with 'excessive' pruning as often occurs when trees are stressed, maybe resultant from root damage/severance, but results in dormant buds along branches being stimulated to grow as 'last gasp' to survive (is how I think I've heard it described.)

 

Paul

[Khriss]

6 minutes ago, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

Another term sometimes used is 'truncated', meaning inter-nodal cuts, i.e. between nodes / buds / "suitable secondary growth points, often resulting in multiple regrowth points from dormant buds, i.e. reaction growth.

 

The other term mention was 'panic regrowth' which, IME, is not necessarily associated with 'excessive' pruning as often occurs when trees are stressed, maybe resultant from root damage/severance, but results in dormant buds along branches being stimulated to grow as 'last gasp' to survive (is how I think I've heard it described.)

 

Paul

So...stressing the tree then . Which I would like to avoid in my work. K

[tree-fancier123]

tree 'work' should include specifying and planting the street trees. Surely there are better options these days that don't need bits sawn off regular.

[Khriss]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

tree 'work' should include specifying and planting the street trees. Surely there are better options these days that don't need bits sawn off regular.

Yea, it's called formative pruning mate. So the tree you want ends up as the tree you get. A mythical and esoteric practise way beyond Local Authority ken. K

[tree-fancier123]

49 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Yea, it's called formative pruning mate. So the tree you want ends up as the tree you get. A mythical and esoteric practise way beyond Local Authority ken. K

What I was getting at is plane (and lime) seem very expensive street trees that will always require periodic removal of new growth. Why not use other species that aren't going to need cutting so much? Hardly anywhere has room for a mature lime or plane.

[Khriss]

3 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

What I was getting at is plane (and lime) seem very expensive street trees that will always require periodic removal of new growth. Why not use other species that aren't going to need cutting so much? Hardly anywhere has room for a mature lime or plane.

Basically those species are pollution resistant and old school . Cherry spp are same. Nothing wrong with any tree spp as long as it gets the right care. K

[Khriss]

Huge Epicormic growth often erupts when tree has been hammered - sorry, pruned, as it has to feed itself ! Then becomes a huge yearly cost to maintain. K