If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck....

[eggsarascal]

...... and quacks like a duck..........

 

Charlie don't like this.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pimlico-plumbers-uk-supreme-court-gig-economy-employees-gary-smith-a8396471.html

[skyhuck]

The guy was happy with the situation when it suited him, less tax etc.

 

We are becoming a population of parasite, always looking to get something for nothing.

[eggsarascal]

4 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

The guy was happy with the situation when it suited him, less tax etc.

 

We are becoming a population of parasite, always looking to get something for nothing.

Yes, I agree, but when you are told when and where you are working for one company, driving a company van and wearing company clothes you are an employee.

 

Are Pimlico Plumbers the parasites?

[Squaredy]

6 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

The guy was happy with the situation when it suited him, less tax etc.

 

We are becoming a population of parasite, always looking to get something for nothing.

Yes it stinks doesn't it. 

 

It is only made possible of course by UK tax laws and employment laws being so complicated that you need specialists to interpret them, and even then those specialists often disagree.

 

Maybe all income tax and NI should be abolished and we all keep every penny we earn, and then taxes increased on what we spend (ie VAT) to make up the difference.  What a lot of time and administrative cost that would save.  Luxury goods of course would be most highly taxed and essentials taxed least.

[skyhuck]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

 

Are Pimlico Plumbers the parasites?

I don't think so, they are simply playing the game the government create. Pimlico are providing many people with employment and apparently pay pretty well.

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, skyhuck said:

I don't think so, they are simply playing the game the government create. Pimlico are providing many people with employment and apparently pay pretty well.

Pimlico "playing the game" is ok, yet when one of their employees plays the game they are parasites?

 

 

[Squaredy]

4 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

I don't think so, they are simply playing the game the government create. Pimlico are providing many people with employment and apparently pay pretty well.

Yes the article quoted in the original post said he made six figure sums some years.  That sounds like a self-employed wage not an employee's wage with benefits like sick pay and holiday pay etc.

 

I bet lots of genuinely self-employed arborists would love to earn that money.

 

For some reason plumbers have become very greedy in recent years.  How often will a plumber work hard tracing a fault and rectifying it and simply charge you a fair hourly rate?  More likely they will condemn your boiler and charge you £2800 to fit a new one. 

 

I am sure there are exceptions of course.

[skyhuck]

3 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Pimlico "playing the game" is ok, yet when one of their employees plays the game they are parasites?

 

 

Thing is pimlico were happy to stick to the "game", the "worker" wants to step out of the game and make more when it suits him. "Eat your cake and still have it" comes to mined.

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

Thing is pimlico were happy to stick to the "game", the "worker" wants to step out of the game and make more when it suits him. "Eat your cake and still have it" comes to mined.

Ah, I thought he was an employee, and I have a feeling you would know he was an employee, however the contract is worded. If he was a worker that would be different, but he wasn't.

[skyhuck]

11 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Ah, I thought he was an employee, and I have a feeling you would know he was an employee, however the contract is worded. If he was a worker that would be different, but he wasn't.

The court has said he was a "worker",  pimlico and he originally agreed he was "freelance".