Transition to self employed (wages etc)

[Bloom]

10 hours ago, Carl1991 said:

I'm not qualified to rig

But you're speedling a Scot's Pine up a 3-tier garden. Don't sell yourself short. 

[eggsarascal]

1 hour ago, benedmonds said:

At £200 a day you are not going to get any work round here.. No one around me asks that sort of rate unless they have a truck and chipper. Eggs as I understand it you are NOT a freelance climber and you do not employ Freelance climbers if you did you would not be in business..

Ask the likes of Steve Bullman, or Rich Rule what their day rate is. I'm sure they won't tell  you but I bet they aren't far off £200/day.

 

John p has said earlier in this thread that he's £190/day when subbing. 

 

@john p does that £190 include you supplying a truck and chipper?

[Carl1991]

True, but wouldn't a rigging ticket be classed as a necessity?

[Steve Bullman]

11 minutes ago, Carl1991 said:

True, but wouldn't a rigging ticket be classed as a necessity?

Don’t think I ever had one nor got asked for one 

[Carl1991]

I'll wait and see what happens on Wednesday. It'll go one of two ways! Many thanks

[benedmonds]

1 hour ago, eggsarascal said:

Ask the likes of Steve Bullman, or Rich Rule what their day rate is. I'm sure they won't tell  you but I bet they aren't far off £200/day.

 

John p has said earlier in this thread that he's £190/day when subbing. 

 

@john p does that £190 include you supplying a truck and chipper?

I am speaking from my experience.  I know what I pay, what I can afford to pay and what freelancers ask for.  Not what I read on an internet forum..

 

Suggesting that "Any subby/freelancer going out for much less than £200/day is on a hiding to nothing" is raising expectations . and you get threads like: 

 https://arbtalk.co.uk/forums/topic/109455-time-to-hang-up-my-spikes/

 

 

Maybe I am doing it wrong and other tree surgery companies are somehow managing to charge double what I am, but I doubt it.. The market is filled with new wannabees who charge low rates either by mistake or to win work, dodgy folk not sticking to the rules, without insurance/training/waste management etc, employees and farmers doing it at the weekend for beer money and old timers who have not raised their rates in line with inflation.

 

 

 

[Steve Bullman]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that EVERY freelance climber should be on that money Ben, but those who are at an adequate level should absolutely be looking towards that sort of money.

[john p]

Ask the likes of Steve Bullman, or Rich Rule what their day rate is. I'm sure they won't tell  you but I bet they aren't far off £200/day.
 
John p has said earlier in this thread that he's £190/day when subbing. 
 
[mention=29097]john p[/mention] does that £190 include you supplying a truck and chipper?

Yo, think I’ve done about 4 days as a subbie in the past 6 months, and that was for £190, Just me, saws, rigging kit. Going out with transit and chipper is about £300. However if I got desperate I would still go out at £150. (Just me). Luckily my works steady at the mo.

[benedmonds]

50 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

I don't think anyone is suggesting that EVERY freelance climber should be on that money Ben, but those who are at an adequate level should absolutely be looking towards that sort of money.

Eggs statement was: 

"Any subby/freelancer going out for much less than £200/day is on a hiding to nothing" 

 

I agree, the few might be able to get top rates for either VERY specialist work or for occasional work for a gardener or someone who has the job priced really well. But 5 days a week doing regular domestic tree work it is not realistic in my market.. I wish it was as I would like to pay myself that much as a company owner running 3-4 teams..

[Steve Bullman]

6 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

Eggs statement was: 

"Any subby/freelancer going out for much less than £200/day is on a hiding to nothing" 

 

I agree, the few might be able to get top rates for either VERY specialist work or for occasional work for a gardener or someone who has the job priced really well. But 5 days a week doing regular domestic tree work it is not realistic in my market.. I wish it was as I would like to pay myself that much as a company owner running 3-4 teams..

I think the real question is, if you're running 3-4 teams and not able to pay yourself that then what even is the point!