Potus ???

[GarethM]

6 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Every now and then you need to look over your back fence to see what is happening out there in the world, take an interest and perhaps take some responsibility to everyone. We are fortunate as a rich nation that we have cash to spare, might not like spending it but we have it. Going back 80 years if we'd said "Ahh, it's only Poland, nothing to do with us" "Ahh, only Belgium" "Ahh, only France" (or as it might have been many of the North African countries, or in Asia), we'd have been a very lonely beacon for about 3 weeks and then a part of the greater Germany. I think this is one of those times when we need to look over there, and take an interest, invest, and realise that globally citizens need our help This is a good thing to do. Head out of arse time, do something.

Read your bloody history books instead of soap boxing.

 

In those poor examples, remind me did we just send lots of armaments & money ?.

 

As the books I had say we had to send some people who knew how to use them.

 

So you want a War do, one where we have to end our countrymen to fight, so much for flower power hippy bs.

 

And don't you dare say peace keepers, you only get peace if your prepared to use that boom stick in anger and actually kill.

Edited Thursday at 16:16 by GarethM

[Johnsond]

41 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Every now and then you need to look over your back fence to see what is happening out there in the world, take an interest and perhaps take some responsibility to everyone. We are fortunate as a rich nation that we have cash to spare, might not like spending it but we have it. Going back 80 years if we'd said "Ahh, it's only Poland, nothing to do with us" "Ahh, only Belgium" "Ahh, only France" (or as it might have been many of the North African countries, or in Asia), we'd have been a very lonely beacon for about 3 weeks and then a part of the greater Germany. I think this is one of those times when we need to look over there, and take an interest, invest, and realise that globally citizens need our help This is a good thing to do. Head out of arse time, do something.

Off you go SP. Prove me wrong but I’d say you are talking utter crap. See the pics for the reality of decision making by armchair bound politicians. Afghanistan?? Was it worth a single UK servicemen’s life 🤷‍♂️imo absolutely not, unless you are prepared to put boots on and go and do the business your posts and moral stance are meaningless 

Edited Thursday at 16:58 by Johnsond

[peds]

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

Read your bloody history books instead of soap boxing.

 

In those poor examples, remind me did we just send lots of armaments & money ?.

 

As the books I had say we had to send some people who knew how to use them.

 

So you want a War do, one where we have to end our countrymen to fight, so much for flower power hippy bs.

 

And don't you dare say peace keepers, you only get peace if your prepared to use that boom stick in anger and actually kill.

 

I think you are reading this how you want to read it and not the words I wrote. Point is that sometime, burying your head in the sand, someone elses problem, doesn't work. Have to act. In the case of the Ukraine it is not a NATO issue, the UK has no remit to directly intervene. Neither does the US, or many other countries. We can, and do, provide equipment and as much support as we can. This is the right thing to do otherwise 'in my poor examples' burying the heads in the sand as someone else problem will end up with the problem on our doorstep.

 

The US also has a duty to enforce previous ceasefires - as agreed - but are failing to do so and under the current president are stepping even further back. Stepping even further back is condemning more Ukrainians.

 

You are an educated man, and I cannot understand how you are failing to see that Trumps actions will result in more deaths... deaths of the aggrieved, the ones who were invaded (illegally by the way). All well and good having a political stance, right or left, but political views have never stopped Republican presidents doing the right thing before.

 

 

 

 

(now as for Why Trump is stepping back, there are other issues afoot however that is for another day, and do revolve around the mans fragile ego)

Edited Thursday at 17:37 by Steven P

[GarethM]

2 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

I think you are reading this how you want to read it and not the words I wrote. Point is that sometime, burying your head in the sand, someone elses problem, doesn't work. Have to act. In the case of the Ukraine it is not a NATO issue, the UK has no remit to directly intervene. Neither does the US, or many other countries. We can, and do, provide equipment and as much support as we can. This is the right thing to do otherwise 'in my poor examples' burying the heads in the sand as someone else problem will end up with the problem on our doorstep.

 

The US also has a duty to enforce previous ceasefires - as agreed - but are failing to do so and under the current president are stepping even further back. Stepping even further back is condemning more Ukrainians.

 

You are an educated man, and I cannot understand how you are failing to see that Trumps actions will result in more deaths... deaths of the aggrieved, the ones who were invaded (illegally by the way). All well and good having a political stance, right or left, but political views have never stopped Republican presidents doing the right thing before.

 

(now as for Why Trump is stepping back, there are other issues afoot however that is for another day, and do revolve around the mans fragile ego)

How else is anyone supposed to read any of your airy fairy I want sugar coated bs musings.

 

Simple fact, you want a War but aren't prepared to step up for what you believe in but expect everyone to foot the bill for spunking millions of quids of weaponry up the wall and still achieved zilch.

 

How many million 7.62 rounds have we sent, probably enough for every russian on the planet to have had atleast 500 rounds.

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

 

I think you are reading this how you want to read it and not the words I wrote. Point is that sometime, burying your head in the sand, someone elses problem, doesn't work. Have to act. In the case of the Ukraine it is not a NATO issue, the UK has no remit to directly intervene. Neither does the US, or many other countries. We can, and do, provide equipment and as much support as we can. This is the right thing to do otherwise 'in my poor examples' burying the heads in the sand as someone else problem will end up with the problem on our doorstep.

 

The US also has a duty to enforce previous ceasefires - as agreed - but are failing to do so and under the current president are stepping even further back. Stepping even further back is condemning more Ukrainians.

 

You are an educated man, and I cannot understand how you are failing to see that Trumps actions will result in more deaths... deaths of the aggrieved, the ones who were invaded (illegally by the way). All well and good having a political stance, right or left, but political views have never stopped Republican presidents doing the right thing before.

 

 

 

 

(now as for Why Trump is stepping back, there are other issues afoot however that is for another day, and do revolve around the mans fragile ego)

STFU about war and conflict, you may well have been and experienced it SP but most I know who have don’t crow on about it like you are here. Slag Trump off if it makes you happy but as I say unless you are kitted up and prepared to get on with it stop moralising about war and death. 

[Mike Hill]

6 hours ago, Steven P said:

And in the last century this peace was backed up by bigger boys either side of Europe. When one of the bigger boys decides to take their toys home there is going to be an imbalance, which will affect peace in the near future.

 

Immediate affect will be Russia keeps up its invasion in Ukraine, many more deaths knowing that Europe doesn't have the mandate to cross over there to help out - can only send hardware - and knowing that the US are walking away as well. 

 

 

 

.. but Gareth (here is the pointed dig)... that is all OK because the US is not spending money, and the lives lost are only Ukrainian solders.

Well it is Ukraine that they are fighting for after all.

 

Or would you prefer " equal opportunities casualties?"

 

Ukraine is Europe's problem. Europe will be forced into handling it.

[Steven P]

Still not quite getting it are you.

 

So a quick recap, The US were supporting The Ukraine - rightly or wrongly depends on how you view finances and human life - and The Ukraine have counted on that support to defend itself, protect it's land and people against an aggressor. Built a strategy that is working based on continued support, the support agreed by US congress. Then Zelensky rocks up in Washington and - get this - wasn't wearing a tie, so Trump has a hissy fit and withdraws the support with immediate effect. Giving the green light for the Russians to invade further in the spring. The Ukrainians will run down what stocks they have, and then be defenceless. And be slaughtered.

 

 

Be a very different thing if Mr Ego had given more than an hours notice for support to be withdrawn - that void could be filled over time. But with no notice, just an ego fuelled power trip, he has condemned thousands to be killed. That is the problem being highlighted and that you are missing with semantics, futile forum point scoring attempts and blindness to the written word. You all appear to think it is OK to throw them into the killing fields without a means of protection. I don't.

 

 

I think so long as you value the $$ above a human life fighting to protect their homeland against an aggressor then we are going to always disagree. 

[Steven P]

And since the current POTUS is Trump, the news feeds are never quiet. US Stock market tanked the day after he imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

 

Today 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico have been suspended for now.

 

Good to see that he is executing his sound financial knowledge onto the lives of Americans. Wonder how many billions were 'lost' today on the stock market?....

[sime42]

5 hours ago, peds said:

 

So, in case anyone was wondering; the goose was victorious. The eagle gave up and buggered off after 20 minutes apparently. I just heard it from the horse's mouth, the bloke who took the photo, being interviewed.

 

Make of that what you will.