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To be fair it does say on their blogs about being suited to milling with the air filters, advertisements where it says it's designed for saw milling, videos (the one with roughs saw in too) that it's for milling and they even say on the product page that can be fitted to a saw frame. There's nothing anywhere about voiding warranty through milling. I doubt stihl will be advertising something for a job that voids it's warranty. It surprised me that there was a diagnostics port considering it doesn't have m-tronic. I assume it just logs hours and RPMs to see if you run it too lean or something. They say it's for quick fault resolution but to me it just sounds like quick warranty denial 😂

I am in the process of buying the kit. It seems chainsawbarsUK are out of stock on big bars until Febuary though 👎 Glad I didn't order things too quick mind or I would have bought an alaskan instead of a panther so I have got quite a lot out of this thread from the guys who know their stuff! Also learnt that the 881 has a diagnostics port for those wondering how they would know if you were milling with it.

Can you two play nice? I just wanted to know how not to ruin my ~£1400 saw whilst milling... 😂

Maybe I should have worded it differently and said to check his insurance not buy it blindly. The aircraft contract industry from the most part is no different. If you are a "freelancer" you turn up in the morning wearing clothes and carrying a coffee. You are told what to do, where to go and what needs to be done. No different to "freelance" tree work, you turn up in the morning and get told the plan for the day and you do the work you're needed for. I've talked about the shift before; I've always done some tree work on weekends, summers when I fancied a break from slogging my arse off in a cargo hold etc. It's something I've always loved doing from when I was a young lad working with my old man on the smallholding. When this virus hit (around March) the aviation industry started lagging, flights started getting cancelled and things got, shall I say squeeky. It had a whole 9/11 feel about it. Most of the contractors at the company I was working for got laid off and I was left hiding in the background doing odd jobs. I was at that company until the last day where the bosses came down and said that the company was collapsing and there may not be work tomorrow. That night I sat in the pub watching the last of their planes land and the next day I went in, listened to the speech with all the other employees by the administration company and helped employees carry toolboxes to the car. I made my money moving about the UK and abroad doing repairs. Everything from putting seats and interior trim on private jets in the UK to replacing engines on Airbus' in the snow in latvia. This year the industry has crashed, not just do companies not have the work but they are laying off people left right and centre which compounded the issue even more. I was getting good money before but with more and more guys getting laid off there were tonnes of blokes who turned to freelancing and companies popped up all over offering cheaper and cheaper services due to people being desperate for work. The last contract I got offered was in Scotland in April/May this year. They offered £9.10 an hour, I laughed, hung up and then nearly cried 😂. The other issue with the aviation industry is IR35. It was originally coming in April this year and IR35 basically means that you can't be a freelancer or contract labourer anymore. HMRC and Rishi Sunak basically wanted to stop people working for companies as an employee but being paid as an independent contractor as they wouldn't have to pay as much tax, NI etc etc. I was working with a group of guys and the companies just before the aviation crash to get around IR35. By providing our own tools, wearing our own logos, invoicing directly as opposed to being paid each week based on hours like an employee and having our own insurance we finally got around IR35 and the employment law solicitors/HR teams etc agreed that we would be able to carry on contracting. The other option was that we would become employees of the company on PAYE with a 0 hour contract. The final issue with aircraft work was being away all the time. I got fed up with missing birthdays, holidays, friends weddings etc. I was always at work. I took a look around me at some of the other guys, all divorced 2-3 times, borderline alcoholics, taking meds for depression and spending all their cash in foreign strip clubs and I don't want that as my future. I grew up working on a farm, I like my family and whilst the money was good, it wasn't good enough to ruin a life for. I like tree work, there's something about being in the pouring rain and then returning to a nice log fire that I love. No industry is perfect but the money isn't bad, the hours are good and I enjoy it. What more could I ask for.

It's down to him, my point with all of this is under the IR35 law there is no such thing as freelance anymore. There used to be and I did it for years but under the law it is illegal. You might have a couple of months and then you will need to replan it. With the "freelancer" position being made, under law, illegal the insurance companies and their underwriters will remove freelancing from insurance as it's an illegal position. Realistically, if "bobs trees" wants help for a day then it's still going to happen and it's down to you how you work it money wise. There isn't a time limit on IR35 saying that if you work for a company for under a week or something then you're golden. IR35 stops freelancing and contract labour, making it illegal. Don't argue with me, argue with HMRC and that C*** Rishi. He has ruined a very busy contract industry which is going to cause a lot of stress and remove a lot of flexibility for small companies all in the name of getting some extra tax by stopping independent contractors or freelancers or whatever you want to call them from claiming expenses.

I've just had a lot of experience with employment contracts and subcontractors. You may be right and there may be a god given right that if you wear someone's company shirts and have a "boss" for the day that you're automatically insured no matter what the insurance documents say. I've seen a lot of guys make some big f*** ups and lose a lot of money through not reading the fine print and not having the correct paperwork in place. Be it guys who have made £500k mistakes or guys who ended up being investigated for tax and paying out over 140k in back taxes. The OP asked if he can subcontract to his employer whilst working for him too. Under IR35 this is illegal, no two ways about it, the employer is making him a disguised employee to save on tax filing and expenses. Other than IR35 he needs to make sure his employers insurance covers him as an external subcontractor. Just trying to save the guy getting shafted.

I get what you're saying but there is no such thing as a freelancer. There's either an employee on PAYE or you are an external company who is subcontracted to provide manpower. There is no middle ground. You would only be covered by my insurance if it states that it covers external subcontractors on site. If you're working for me, with my guys, under my instruction then technically you would be under IR35. Have a look what it did to the public sector, they were hit by the ir35 reforms that we are all about to be hit by. There's no such thing as a freelancer in the public sector anymore. You are either employed by the public sector on PAYE or you have to be employed by an umbrella company who pays you PAYE.

Perfect, so self employed, so you will most likely need insurance. The reason I brought HMRC into this and employment law is because it's the law and HMRC that will set the employment rules that the insurance company will use. I didn't want to turn this into a grudge match argument in any way about employment law. Let me make my advice simpler to the op: Ask your employer to check his insurance contract and documents and see if you will be covered. Never assume, check. It's all fun and games until you drop a log on someone/something or have an accident. If it says in it that they will insure any subcontractors (as in the eyes of employment law a freelancer doesn't exist you are either an employee or a sole trader/ltd company that has a contract) then you're fine.

Yes, the rules do not apply to those who are self employed, that is, people who are classed as outside of the IR35 rules according to the emploment status ir35 tool. Give it a go running the tool and imagining you're a freelance climber, turning up on site in the morning and working as part of some companies team. They don't mean that if you are registered as a sole trader or ltd company that you are outside of ir35. I'm not going to start an argument on IR35 as I did it all earlier this year fighting bosses of large multinational companies about how contracting will work, I won the fight, but let me summarise... If you are doing what the OP wanted to do and work overtime as a freelancer basically doing his normal job but without the PAYE then this is illegal. If you are a sole trader/ltd company and you turn up and work for someone as a freelancer labourer this is illegal If you are doing the same job as a companies employes and work with them but as a "freelancer" this is illegal. If you are a ltd company and turn up to a job and do it for them, you have all the kit and they are subcontracting jobs to you, this is legal Give the ir35 employment assesment tool a crack and see what happens. It will say you are inside of IR35. It doesn't matter that you are a ltd company or a sole trader.

Providing tooling, equipment, insurance, a work contract. The HMRC website has a ir35 tool that shows you. It's also about how often you get paid, who makes decisions on site, how long the contract is for bla bla bla. Either you are under IR35 as what I suppose you guys would call a freelancer who is legally required to be employed by the company and have an employment contract, a pension etc or you are outside IR35 and you are a subcontracted company

This is part of the issue though, I think the full IR35 reform got delayed as it was originally march this year but with the recent financial loss of covid Rishi is pushing forward with it again. IR35 basically makes labour only freelance illegal, labour only freelancers are basically a 0 hour contract worker paid by PAYE now

Maybe I'm missing something but I've done contracts from councils to foreign companies in S****** countries before and unless the companies insurance policy specifically says that it will cover subcontracted companies then you're uninsured. I could have saved thousands and thousands in insurance policies if there was some sort of automatic legal right to be covered by an insurance policy if you wear a companies logod up t-shirt on site and pretend you're one of them 🤷🏼‍♂️

Maybe the confusion is around the new IR35 rulings which basically say that you can't have a freelancer anymore. It's not a legal thing. You either have an employee who MUST legally be on PAYE or you have a subcontracted company which is outside ir35 and they must have their own insurance 🤷🏼‍♂️

I get what you are trying to say but there is no such thing as a self employed person who provides labour as part of a team. That doesn't exist in employment law especially since ir35 and the law around what HMRC call "disguised employees". The IT sector was rife with it. You are either an employee and on PAYE or you are a subcontracted company that has a work contract. There is no middle ground, and I appreciate there used to be years back but there isn't anymore in the world of employment law. Some of you may have insurance policies that cover any subcontracted company you employ to do work for you but I've yet to see one and it's not going to be every contract, that's for darn sure

Well I've worked for companies before, let's call them wefixplanes. Wefixplanes was working on a commercial airliner which needed a modification done on a wing spar. Wefixplanes didn't have enough manpower to do all the work so they took on 4 freelance workers who were skilled and done the modification countless times before. One guy ****************ed up and drilled a hole in the wrong place, it caused around 500k of damage. Wefixplanes was furious because they would have to go to the customer and explain why the wing is coming off of their multi-million pound jet liner. They asked the subcontractors for their insurance details so they can work it out and they said "oh, we should be covered by your insurance" to which they said "nope, you were to have your own insurance, it was in the contract you Signed here"... The 4 lads (luckily not me) as a heft deal to pay and I think eventually worked out a repayment plan. I'm sorry, but it comes down to your insurance company and the insurance policy fine print. It doesn't matter what you call it. Bare in mind you're either an employee of a company or an external company being subcontracted. There is nothing in-between, especially with the ir35 rules now.

From my experience running contract/free lance work in aviation you are one of two things in employment: 1) Employed by an employer 2) Self employed You get work in one of two ways, you are employed by an employer who pays you and employs you, you are their employee and they deal with your taxes etc. The other way is you work for them as an external contractor and you pay your taxes and they pay you what you invoice them for. If you're employed by an employer you are on PAYE and you are an employee. Any work outside of that is contract work. You can call it whatever you want "self employed, subby, Connie, freelance" you are at the end of the day a contracted in worker and you must supply a contract of services. I haven't seen any insurer that covers contractors/subcontractors on the policy. They sometimes give a wishy washy thing about them covering personal injury in the event of a subcontractor being injured on site but that's a liability thing and doesn't mean that if your subby damages property or the public they will be covered. Here's a situation, you employ a subcontractor for a removal. They don't have insurance. They take off a branch and little Timmy, the boy that lives there runs out to see what's happening whilst his parents aren't watching. The branch comes down and snaps little Timmy's spine. The insurance gets involved. First thing they ask is who was cutting, where's their tickets and how long have they worked for you. You say "oh, Dave is a sole trader, we took him on for the day as we needed help". At this point the insurance company says "sweet, we can wash our hands of this, it's down to the sole trader that you employed, it's him making the cuts and you are paying him as a separate company" If you take on a subcontractor under your wing and use him to represent your company then he is still his own entity and bound by the contract of work. Unless your insurance company explicitly states in your insurance certificate that they will cover all subcontracted companies that work for you as well then you aren't covered no matter what you call yourself

Well, if it makes me feel like I got a deal, costs £45/50 in fuel and is a day out on the weekend then it's a deal to me. If I was that worried about scrimping pennies then I would never have had any experiences in life. I've lost more money in foreign s***holes doing questionable things compared to saving a little money buying a saw 😂 even if I have made a loss because I could have made £500 doing a removal on a Saturday instead...

Depends on if I am not booking work on a day to go and do this or if I am going to do it on a saturday and go for a walk and make it a day trip. God knows during this pandemic I don't want to be sat on my arse on a weekend. Going to pick up a chainsaw and seeing somewhere new might be the closest I get to a holiday this year...

Where is the bumper from?

No reason why not but you will need insurance/public liability etc. That will be even more expensive as a sole trader than a ltd company. You will also need to be registered for self assessment tax. Make sure the extra he is paying you covers the costs. People hear the connie prices but don't understand the connie costs...

I agree they are making a sale but if they sell it to me for less than other companies then it's doing me a favour in my opinion. They could sell it for the same that others are selling it for and no-one would bat an eye. Maybe I am too easy on companies 🤷‍♂️

Whilst that's true I would rather go and pick it up, especially if they give me a good deal. I don't want to mess people around who are realistically doing me a favor

30ft in poles. I'm not on about setting a final anchor with them but it's quicker to fire up 2 ropes, SRT on one of them and ddrt on the other so I have a main and backup. Progress the anchor to where I need it, job done. If I am working on big trees then throwline it is

Well it's all fun and games until it goes wrong and you have a fall or someone working for you has a fall. There was a farmer in my area who was working on the roof of his barn. His farm is a Ltd company and he is the only employee. He slipped and fell off the roof, ended up with a broken hip and some other stuff iirc. HSe sued him for 60k for incorrect working practices even though he was the boss and he was the only employee and it was his barn. I know everyone thinks that HSe is a ghost in the background that only rears its head in big companies but they also enjoy shafting the little man. Personally I don't think it really slows me down. I have the utility rods and I can usually put up two ropes in one go on two separate branches. If anything I am probably more efficient as it gives me a piece of mind that will probably bite me in the ass at some point.