Steven P

As discussed above, 45% of the grooming gangs in the UK are white. The minority (14%) are Asians. To ONLY highlight (and repetitively only) the coloured gangs is a racist attack where you are trying to make a political point off the back of child rapes. End of.

As far as I read it, and I am not looking to put any building / containers on land, but the buildings had to be for managing the land it is on - so what you need to look after the woods. The was something about a fixed and a moveable structure - if you can move it then it is moveable (even if it is a 6" move) - foundations I think have to be like flag stones or similar. Dug foundations turns it into a permanent structure (not 100% on this one... the bloke who told me this has recently been evicted despite his moveable 'shed'). Container on flag stones OK, container on 2' deep concrete foundations not OK. But I think in essence I have to ask, what do you need 6 containers for to manage a 10 acre wood? Double stacked with an office on top isn't for managing a wood. I'll assume 40' and not 20' containers? 1 off as a tool store - small tractor, hand tools, PPE and so on, 1 as a workshop and parts store (fencing and so on), and you might get away with 1 for toilet and so on... but probably the view would be 80' of containers so far toilet and facilities can go in one of them. What are the plans for the other 3 or 4? Might be better looking at planning permission rather than skirting round the rules only to be told in a couple of years when you are set up that you've to clear the site and shut down whatever business you have going when the accommodation is removed.

Anyway... in case anyone missed this in between the same JohnsonD shit, different week: Also making the news are - Hamas are seriously considering the latest ceasefire negotiations (before Trump gets in power too, who knew that could happen?, sorry, couldn't help myself) - Nicola Sturgeon is getting divorced from her marriage of convenience (my thoughts that last bit)... as a convenient asset protection scheme in case her husband has to pay back proceeds of crimes (£600k?) (Important edity bit... that last part was also my thoughts too) - The LA Fires are still burning. Some very rich people poking their noses in are told to feck off again. - A white Grampion Prisons officer was jailed for rape of a child.. who knew a white man could do that, he is white and isn't even a Muslim either, might have only made the local news that one (whoops... off on one again sorry). - Comedian Tony Slattery died - For the dull old men amongst us, the Snookers masters happening, bed time viewing. - There have been no new European Lynx spotted (Farage is getting his way, Europeans coming here, stealing our wild cats jobs) Happy to talk about any of these instead.. and then to get distracted to a comedy thread as only Arbtalk can do so well. Not fish, we did fish puns recently.

When you say all races... some of his colleagues are Scousers if that counts as foreign?

I'm going to use this line!!

Don't suppose you noticed the multiple "distract the audience" posts when the posts were getting a bit close to Trumps inner circle? He cannot stand that his icon, Mr Trump, is a rapist, was besties with a child abuser and child trafficker (a white man who was well into grooming), has put forward a child rapist to be in the US government, has been accused many many times of sexual assaults, voyeurism in the miss world and junior miss world. About the only member on here who cannot see that Trump is not a good man (and I say man advisedly - man by birth and not actions). Mr Brand (also rapist) being entertained at Mar-A-Lago, republican convention "Grindr Fest", Roy Cohn a bit gay, misogynist rapist and child abuser, Tates 'Bro Party' in the same sentence as Trump... all getting a bit close to smearing Trump with the same apologist for (white) rapists.... so what to do... yup, fling in a racist post. Distraction. Popping up a racist post is the lesser of 2 evils - be seen as an apologist for The Rapist, or be accused of racism

I'd have thought you'd be fully aware of this.

You'll of course know that if the man is gay, the woman isn't always and the man isn't necessarily the biological father.... Where else is there to go after Miss World? Well Trump then went onto perving in the changing rooms of the Junior Miss world Contest if that is any precedent to set?

This has been a thing few times here in the last couple of years, stove in a new build or new extension sealed tight has problems, rarely get "My 100 year old house fire doesn't draw very well". Insulated flu... mine is a single skin liner and the chimney brickwork retains a lot of heat - great for upstairs bedroom after a couple of days fires - wonder if an insulated liner retains as much heat?

I'm not a chimney expert but making the chimney smaller and expecting it to expel more gasses seams counter intuitive (I assume smaller baffle = smaller diameter hole in it?). Might be put a small fire in - a few sheets of paper while you go out to get the firewood and kindling in - to pre-warm a cold chimney as it were - before making the main fire helps? Or a add taller chimney.

I'd need to check but might be that with 1 fan the peltier isn't working flat out as it were, 2 fans and it will still work OK (you get different qualities and efficiencies - different power out, plus 2 fans might mean the cold side is cooler (more air), bigger temperature difference, more power out, too much for a simple internet search to tell me)

The link has gone now, but I saw a brilliant one at the end of the news pages yesterday, a bit of lighter relief... Apparently 'ladies toys' can be operated remotely by internet, wifies and bluetooth... but have no internet security and virus checkers (you make your own jokes there). Hackers can take control of them if they wanted to... so be warned... It amused me anyway.

But back to the lynx, I haven't followed up on this story yet, what's the updates?

This is true, the laws need to be up to the standards we demand, must be suitable and applied properly and fairly to all. If they are found to be lacking then amend them or make new laws. I think Labour picking up recommendations of an enquiry (commissioned and then ignored by the Tory party) is a good first step to updating them. Noting that the 'proxy' leader in his time at the CPS implemented procedural changes and so on which saw a stepped increase in prosecutions of grooming gangs and child sex exploitation. Jess Philips has always campaigned on the same issues (as well as other abuses towards girls and women). I think we'll see a slow and steady increase and tightening of legislation along these lines over the next 4 years (and in my view surpassing the Tory parties legislation for all the time they were in office). This is a good thing. (You'll maybe disagree here, but copy and pasting links from any papers, Linkedin, Facebook, Bebo or where ever, bypassing the brains thinking "Is this the full story, is there a hidden agenda" just reinforces the racist stereotypes and agenda of the sources, adds to the perception that the crimes are only carried out by foreigners... because it furthers an agenda... and that sells more papers... profiting politically from anothers suffering is never a good thing... )

Yes, I usually have a reliable resource. Think it was this article I was reading: Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say? WWW.BBC.CO.UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of some high-profile gangs.

I've had that one for about 18 months now, blades turn, hasn't gone wrong yet.

I think it was the BBC news this week, this might be uncomfortable reading for some of you. Something like 45% of grooming gangs in the UK are white, about 15% Asian and about 15% black. The others aren't specified. The data is about 5 years old - so the 2 biggies in the last couple of years might have skewed that figure. I think the study was about 1300 perpetrators (I'm assuming those that have been convicted). And this is exactly the point. "Where are all the reports of all these white men grooming and gang raping children". They aren't being reported. But since Rotherham and Oldham are Asians then the more racist press, The Daily Mail and Telegraph ARE reporting it, Musk has picked up on it, the politicians are talking about it, it has pricked up an interest here because it is Asians committing the crimes in the news. Uncomfortable as it might be to you all, but grooming gangs are not exclusively Muslims. You can argue as much as you like, bury your heads in the sand as deep as you want but these are the figures the survey found. The problems with this is that the press, and others, are getting away with their casual racism but also spreading a narrative around the country that the white man (mostly man) does not commit these crimes. If we believe that the crimes are exclusive to one segment of society we'll turn a blind eye to others - because the trusted press tells us this is how it is. Out of the other grooming offences and crimes against children, Epstein is a parallel working closely with Maxwell but most of those who also flew on his private jet. I think this is the most high profile one I can bring up to highlight that it is not a crime segregated by race, religion or nationality.

That's the point though I've been making for ages... it isn't a race thing... white men are doing exactly the same, and in greater numbers in the UK than Muslims... but not a peep from the press or anyone. As soon as a group of Muslim men get caught doing the same thing, the papers are all over it, the politicians want to know and internationally too with Musk... and yet, for the same crime, nothing about White men. So to me it boils down to the press coverage being less about the actual crimes and more about a racist agenda. That is wrong, to make political points, sell news papers and twatterings off the back of crimes - only picking up the story when it can be directed according to the agenda that they want to sell.

There is no place for it at all, those that do should be locked away. However also no place for making political gain out of it either... Musk, UK politicians, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, anyone who uses it as an excuse to further a racist agenda, all out of order. Shouting loudest doesn't solve a problem, doesn't look at the root causes, doesn't work out if the UKs legal system is suitable or needs amending (new legislation).... but it does sell a lot of papers and re-twatterings.

The ones making the headlines are, yes, however there are also many other instances that aren't making the headlines. Yes it is criminal - the crimes are universally horrendous however the current highlighting of the crimes have a political bias as to which ones are reported and which ones are not. Granted though that Rotherham and Oldham are the biggest cases... but that doesn't mean the same crime is also happening but much lesser reported. Starmer is a poor politician (which highlights how bad the Tories were if he could win victory) and you're right, he could be a doing a lot more to prove an innocence and do some discrediting. (As for Musk, if his things is sex crimes he could be doing well to also look closer to home, his current plaything is no stranger to being a bit rapey, I don't believe his thing is the crimes but jumping on a political attack for his own financial gains)

I've been trying to get this one Trout there, but been Skate-ing round how to do it but I am sure there is a fart pun "he who Smelt it" with a Whiff too (You'll just have to appreciate the trying even if the finished line isn't there)

Reading the news this week, and perhaps a bit more in depth than The Daily Mail or Telegraph, there are an awful lot of whites doing the same, but that doesn't suit the papers agendas. Pakistani gangs are disproportionate in the figures... but they are not the majority (I haven't worked out if the Rotherham and Oldham gangs skewed the figures significantly or if you discount these 2 large groups if the disproportion would be the same). Noting also that most abuse - physical and sexual - is carried out by someone the victim knows well, often a single family member - and these incidences far outweigh the grooming gangs. However a massive political row stoked by Musk threatens the protection of all these cases too (protection - not really... it is the prosecution that will be easier)

Does it struggle to light if the flu is warm? On an industrial coal boiler we had to put a brazier under the chimney to get the draft going, a day later with a warm chimney (not hot day 2) the draft would pull sheets of paper into the fire.... an extreme example but does it light better with a warm chimney?

To the thread header: That always makes the best firewood! "Boiled his central heating" - the hottest fire I've had this season was with 'fresh' (standing dead wood felled about 2 months ago) - softwood so constantly feeding the fire, it threw out some heat... but had to stand on the stove to keep feeding it. Beech I've got on now will burn an hour or so but the fire isn't nearly that hot. Cannot remember if the day I got the stove glowing red whether it was wood or coal in the days I only had softwoods (Spruce I think)

These puns are brill, thought you couldn't top the last ones but any fin is possible