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Neither of which will be a problem any more when you've bled out after an accident chogging down Mrs Magoos leylandii for Cut'n'Run for £150/day. I'm genuinely surprised by the derailment of a thread asking about practicing aerial rescue. I thought it would be uncontroversial. Has the industry always been a race to the bottom?

Again, surely this is a problem? Various posters have stated that they often work without a designated rescue climber or one they know would be unlikely to effectively rescue them. What's the cost in walking away from work that will put you in an unacceptable risky position? A days wage? Versus loss of life or limb? You wouldn't work for someone without professional Insurances, so what's the harm in asking about the last time they practiced aerial rescue? A rising tide lifts all boats

I guess that's a relevant but seperate issue, but I agree.

Surely there is the opportunity (expectation?) for the 6 monthly aerial rescue practices to be self led - everyone has their aerial rescue ticket and so is a competent and certificated climber, so at the moment there's no requirement for a trainer to be present. However, without any guidance from the AA on the 6 monthly practice, busy managers and business owners with stretched resources are even less likely to schedule the practice even though we've been told in the TG1 it's mandatory. Given that it's mandatory I also wonder what the implications of NOT doing the practice or having any records of it are?

OK I stand corrected on the specifics of the timeline of natural fibre ropes and leather harnesses, but my broader point about safety standards and good practice progressing over time still stands. So anecdotally you've never heard of an aerial rescue taking place, or of a fatality occurring in a rope and harness - that's good, you sound like a lucky person to have around. But both of those things have occured and will continue to occur in the industry, right? As in they're documented and reported (and likely under reported as most accidents and near misses are).

And that's a bad thing, right? How do we make the reality one where more people go home from work uninjured and alive? 40 years ago the reality was that people used 3 strand natural fibre ropes and leather belt harnesses with no leg loops, and probably didn't wear chainsaw trousers or even helmets. Techniques, equipment, legislation and guidance have all progressed and safety has improved, and that's a good thing. Things didn't improve by accepting that things were bad or sub optimal.

OK so expect to self rescue? Wouldn't it be better if there was also a good reasue plan and competent, adequately resourced rescuer? If one of the possible outcomes that you can foresee from the next bit of work you're about to do is death, then maybe the better option is to come down?

TG1 states that you can do away with the "backup" 2nd line during a rescue if possible, but you could use 2 lines for a rescue if you wanted to and it made you feel safer, and were quick enough that the rescue would be effective. This wasn't meant to be another thread moaning about 2 rope working and the WAHR, there's many other threads for that if that's what you're into.

So you're saying prepare for self rescue, and rig safely and conservatively, and don't one hand the chainsaw?

Again, it might be the reality (and I've definitely been in this situation countless times) but that doesn't mean it's acceptable or OK. To rephrase my opening post then - how can we make aerial rescue practice (and provision) more than a box ticking exercise?

That just sounds like a situation where there is no adequate rescue plan in place - if the designated rescue climber isn't competent and able to undertake the rescue then there's no rescue provision in place? I assume that's what the regular rescue practices is meant to remedy? Boxes need to get ticked, yes, but why not make it worthwhile? An access line in the tree and a properly trained rescue climber with, say, a combat application tourniquet can definitely improve the chances of climber with a catastrophic injury surviving.

The Arb Associations' Technical Guide 1 states a requirement for aerial rescue to be practiced (both scheduled and impromptu) at least once every 6 months (Section 16.2). It offers a few suggestions for considerations, and says the practice scenarios should "seek to simulate authentic situations". How are people finding implementing this? Are you getting it done every 6 months? What scenarios are you training? I was very pleased to see this included in TG1, I think its really important, but then there's no corresponding requirement to record or document the aerial rescue practices - are folk doing this anyway?

What are the salary ranges for the 2 positions?

I've started reading through this epic thread but have only got to page 67 so far, so sorry if this question has been asked before... How do the cs100 and m250/300 compare for disassembly and reassembly? I'm thinking if I have a wee chipper it would be good to have one that you can take apart and put back together reasonably easily so as to be able to take it places with tricky to no access for even a small chipper. I'm also leaning towards a cs100 as I'd like in the future to be able to tow it behind a small tipper and be able to shoot straight into the back. To begun with though I'll likely have a small panel van like a berlingo or kangoo, which I believe will fit an m300 (as in @Spoonz set up) but if I wanted to get a Cs100 in a kangoo I'm assuming the hopper and spout would need to come off. I'm definitely not expecting daily use and therefore reassembly and disassembly, either that would get really annoying or you'd get really quick at it (or both).

What salary are you offering?

The Edinburgh Botanic Gardens are recruiting an arborist for a full time position, would be a good fit for you career wise if you have 2 years experience, salary seems to have parity with other salaried positions in the private sector.

The following is crude and imperfect, but it’s just meant to make a broad point. We can compare the average base salary data for arborists with other manual jobs (requiring a similar level of skill and training IMO) available on another large recruitment site that also serves other industries – I’ll use Glassdoor.co.uk as an example for consistency; Arborist £28,302 Forester £29,218 Tiler £31,445 Painter Decorator £32,791 Bricklayer £33,222 Rope Access Technician £36,140 Scaffolder £36,952 Given that Arborists and Foresters are more likely to suffer from injuries, fatal and non-fatal, than any of the other professions above, what incentives are there for people to enter into the industry? Or return after recovering from an injury? Also, as an observation, the benefits offered for salaried arborist positions in job advertisements very rarely go beyond the statutory entitlements all workers have and that employers must legally provide i.e. 28 days paid holiday per annum (for a standard 5 day working week), statutory sick pay (£109.40 per week for a maximum of 28 weeks), enrolment on a pension. These statutory entitlements are often presented as perks. @CTC Recruitment will have access to much better data on salaries offered for arborist positions, does the above figure seem right to you?

Looks pretty dead too, the top that landed in the road just turned to mush

What was shouted? Think it was "when I said go I meant GOOO!". Cutter blaming the guy in the truck?

I'd find some folk on Instagram and reach out to them to ask, I follow a few Finnish arbs, try @uskajoonarmas for starters

Sounds like you are describing Disguised Employment

Have seen folk on instagram using Courant Rebel and Sterling HTP, both in11mm. Search for #Tazlov3 on instagram and you should find someone to ask who uses one

Will the Arb Association have any presence there or have any staff members in attendance ?@AA Teccie (Paul) @AA Teccie (Simon Cox)

Anyone going this year? Last week of April https://www.deutsche-baumpflegetage.de/en/