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I work on a UK construction site. We have a Portugese subcontractor that pays his Portugese workers £5 an hour. Some of them were caught stealing food in Aldis. I've heard some of them haven't been paid since Christmas and they were stealing other workers sandwiches in the canteen. Why don't you provide the "stats"? You were the one that was saying migration was brilliant. It seems bizarre that you wouldn't provide the "stats" to make me look stupid..... That's interesting. Where did you get that information? The book of made up facts? So at what point do we start taking terrorism seriously? How many deaths do we have before you admit we have a problem? Yeah, the BBC isn't biased at all. If someone has mobile phone footage of a migrant getting abused on a tram they will run the footage on the news. However when the BNP say that white kids getting raped by migrants they seem strangely unwilling to investigate. I'm glad Trump has banned them from press briefings for being biased...

I believe it was Bombay. Have you been to India? The Taj Mahal is awesome.

They started a dye works and were involved in shipping. Before anyone gets the wrong idea, no they weren't incredible wealthy.

Tbh, i fully accept that the brits were unwelcome in India and Africa etc and it was time to go "home". It just seems unfair that brits are then expected to welcome Indians and africans in Britain when we had just been kicked out of their countries.

Unfortunately the warnings from the "racists" seem to be coming true.... In 2004 the BNP were saying that Asian gangs were sexually abusing vulnerable white kids in northern towns... They were right.... If the media had actually listened to them less kids would have been abused in places like Rotherham. 500 europeans killed by terrorists in the last two years. Is that not a "river of blood"... How many migrants do we have in the UK? 5 million or something? Yet the NHS goes from crisis to crisis.... How many migrants do we need before the NHS is fixed? If the migrants are so good why are their own countries so poor? If the migrants are so good should we not be charitable and send them to poor countries to build their economies? Someone on minimum wage pays about £1500 a year in income tax and NI. Do you think that's enough to pay for the NHS/ state benefits/ housing/ schools etc? It's quite clear that the vast bulk of migrants are a drain to the taxpayer... Do you have any proof that migrants are net contributors to the UK taxpayer? Or is it something the BBC told you?

Yes, the nhs and education are also a concern to the electorate. I'd imagine some of the more intelligent members of the electorate would realise that mass migration puts pressure on these public services... I know someone whose daughter's class has 17 different languages spoken in it. Do you think that's good for her education? Or maybe you've been to a hospital waiting room and half the patients are foreign?

For 200 years my family lived in India. Then in 1947 my family had to come back to the UK. Why is it OK for Indians and Africans etc to kick the brits out of their countries but brits just have to accept them coming here without complaint? Is it really "racist" to want europe to remain european?

I often think it's rubbish how political parties parachute in candidates to fight elections. They should have a local MP for local people. I was surprised at the acceptance speech by the newly elected Stoke Labour MP... "Those who came to Stoke-on-Trent to stoke hate and division and turn us against our neighbours, I have one simple message: you have failed... "We have said with one voice that hate and bigotry is not welcome here." Immigration is one of the main concerns of the electorate, yet it appears that Labour are still sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "not listening".

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Labour lost one of their seats in a by election to the Tories. I can't help thinking it will be decades before Labour form a Government again I was disappointed that UKIP never got the Stoke constituency Having said that, the UKIP candidate was bizarre, imagine making stuff up about having lost friends at Hillsborough.

Is there easy vehicular access to the lake? If there is you could float the log over the lake?

I think we discussed 18 pages ago that a white person walking the streets of Pakistan/ Afghanistan/ Iraq/ Somalia etc is likely to be killed by the locals. Is it not "common sense" to reduce migration from those places?

Swedish authorities have a policy of hiding crimes committed by migrants. So how can we know that immigration is working as successfully as you claim? Why did Sweden have to take responsibility? The problems in Syria and Eritrea are nothing to do with Sweden? How many more migrants can Sweden take before you run out of taxpayers cash? Sweden is a great country. However you cant continue to import the third world and remain a great country. In 2016 there were 23 grenade attacks in Sweden (plus other explosive devices). I'd suggest we consider that before we all get our "Refugees Welcome" banners out the loft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

I should be in jail with opinions like mine? What are you? A Nazi or something? Yeah Mark, you've already threatened to kill me once. Maybe you should watch Prime Minister's Questions to see how to make a convincing argument? I personally don't think threatening violence is a good way to convince people your viewpoint is correct.

Well done for responding without just copying in something from facebook. I agree that there is more to the number of blacks in prison than just skin colour. Maybe it's more likely to be a cultural problem? Black culture seems to be overwhelmingly violent, rap music does seem to contain a lot of references to "putting a cap in someone's ass". I cant be the only person here that was shocked (and disgusted) at how the black community rioted after black gangster Mark Duggan was shot. Anyway, why do we want migrant groups that cause problems in society?

The evidence I presented shows that black people are about 5 times more likely to be in prison than white people. Do you have anything to comment on that? Or do you think the Houses of Parliament are "racist"?

When did your granddad tell you that? When you went to see him in prison? You come across as an absolute thug. Do you really think threats of violence win people over to your side of the argument? Or do you think they make people take my side?

How old are you? 17? When you grow up a bit you might realise that allowing migrants into the UK with a propensity for violence is a stupid thing to do.

You mean well educated people with a couple of degrees? I suspect you are 100% correct. I detect a hint of scepticism. Are the Houses of Parliament a good enough source for you? It's very interesting comparing the black prison population against the black population in the UK. There's also a certain religion that seems overrepresented in prison... Prison Population Statistics - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

I agree there. The quality of intellectual discussion coming from the Guardian journalists is disappointing. Tbh, if my ten year old niece came out with the arguments they used I would be disappointed in her... It did cross my mind that the people commenting on the Guardian website were secret "Daily Mail" types. However the below the line comments are overwhelmingly against the migration... I'd suggest that anyone with a spare five minutes look at the comments beneath this artice (just remember to order them by "recommendations"). https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/21/europe-demonising-muslim-refugees-legitimise-trump#comments

I spend a fair amount of time on the Guardian website as I don't want to suffer "confirmation bias" when I read news articles. When I look at the comments beneath the articles its fairly certain that even Guardian readers are fed up with migration. Political Correctness is an idea that has probable had its day. I think Trump and Brexit are the first political shocks of many.

That's a pity I was looking forward to posting some facts on the number of grenade attacks in Sweden in 2016 - I bet no one knew those Swedes liked lobbing grenades into cafes so much. Let's look at some facts: Over the last two years 500 Europeans have been killed in terrorist attacks. Thousands of people have been injured in those attacks. Tens of thousands of women and girls have been sexually assaulted by migrants. Europeans are watching the atrocities on the television and getting scared. Yet how do people like you act? You shout down any debate on migration by shouting "racist". People like you are forcing the electorate to vote for right wing parties. Well done, well done stihlmadsever *slow clap*

All crime is horrible. However we shouldn't ignore the fact that some migrant groups commit more crime than others.... "A 2011 report by Statistics Norway found that immigrants are overrepresented in crime statistics but that there is substantial variation by country of origin.[80] The report furthermore found that "the overrepresentation is substantially reduced when adjusting for population structure – for some groups as much as 45 per cent, but there are also some groups where the overrepresentation still is large."[80] According to the report, the data for 2009 shows that first-generation immigrants from Africa were three times more likely than ethnic Norwegians (or rather individuals who are neither first- nor second-generation immigrants) to be convicted of a felony while Somali immigrants in particular being 4.4 times more likely to be convicted of a felony than an ethnic Norwegian was. Similarly, Iraqis and Pakistanis were found to have rates of conviction for felonies greater than ethnic Norwegians by a factor of 3 and 2.6 respectively." So some migrant groups are 4.4 times more likely to commit crime than native Norwegians. Don't worry, I've plenty more reports to quote...

Their is fairly overwhelming evidence that some migrant groups commit more crimes than others. I'd also suggest that every single person reading this thread would agree that a certain religion inspires more terrorism than any other.... Should we just ignore these facts because you find it distasteful? Why don't we look at some rape statistics in Sweden? "A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia),Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries), other Middle East (Jordan, Palestine, Syria), Iran and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, 17, 9, 10 and 18 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively." North Africans 23 times more likely to commit rape than native Swedes... We can either ignore evidence like this or we can have an adult discussion... 1,400 white girls raped in Rotherham... Yet people like you still want to shout down debate by shouting "racist".

ehhhmmm, ok. I thought I had answered these questions? What's your game plan? Ask the same questions repeatedly and bore me to death?