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in fact you didn't mention ce at all!................ only bs & en. i'll stick to my genuine copy of the PPED, and my genuine copies of every bsen relating to climbing equipment ever written to supply me with enlightenment, thanks all the same. old chap. perhaps you would like to borrow them some time, only a few 1000 pages & pounds worth in total but hey who's counting? british standards have nowt to do with climbing equipment. en's do. also: btggaz petzl are responsible for the sources of their components and furthermore they must even detail the EXACT companies from whom they source their raw aluminium & raw fibers in their technical file which they submitted for the harness to the certifying body when it was tested to the relevant en's & ce certified. if they wanted to switch to a supplier not detailed in the file they would have to apply & pay to have it amended.

ensure that the wraps are made on the large bollard and minimal/ no partial turns are made on the 'pegs' a half turn on one of those pegs will create allot of friction on a very small surface area. Other than than, let it run slower/ take smaller bits. a 300kg lump falling 8 ft will generate 2700kgf thats allot to ask from most rigging lines! what make is the rope?

this is so far from correct its worrying. An EN is a European norm, the bsen is the British standard European norm, they should be considered as the same thing. certain types of ppe (eg gloves) must be produced in compliance with the relevant en but the testing can be done in house and they can self certify the product. Other types of PPE eg harnesses must be interdependently certified as compliant. I think these matters are best left in the hands of professionals and we let petzl do their job. We should concern ourselves with understanding OUR obligations and not those of the manufacturers; in my experience few arbs understand the implications of en's & ce as far as buying and placing equipment into service (which they should) let alone what the implications are for those who wish to bring a product to market.

not a speed line but here are some true professionals: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqrXO91lqpw]Trivect Tree Rigging and Removal - YouTube[/ame] nice one guys!

based on a 70 m traverse/track/ speedline answer A (approximately) 1750kgf answer B (approximately) 7000kgf!!!!!! people complain that clients regard us as semi skilled gardeners and not professionals, i wonder why? like the others said just keep it simple, cross your fingers & hope for the best

a load of 200kg placed onto an old climbing line pre tension ed to give a required deflection of 2m once the load is transferred= ??????? or a 100kg load dropped 3feet onto the same line=????

use a supper static rope tension with a grcs or SW for rapid tensioning/ tensioning and plenty of power use a proper tandem pulley or a twin pulley'd carrage have lots of slings & krabs & probably a rigging plate watch the vectors! you may need a very long traverse line to ensure the timber is compressed axially depending on the job consider setting up a reeve, an English one is best forces involved can be MASSIVE consider using a computer program if you wish to pre tension the traverse line before securing 'packages' to it. If not ensure that you use a tension aid which will not overload the system, place the package on an un-tensioned traverse line then apply tension before lowering the package. if you know what you're doing lighter sections can be cut strait onto the tensioned traverse line but like i said make sure you understand the forces & maybe use a computer to get it all right or better still get someone in to guide you through the job or seek training. i did a 3 day speed line course took weeks of revision to stop my head spinning!

well perhaps that's because you've never used one? When you buy it your trained how to use it & shown how to pre tension on the metal bollard with no bend in the rope at all, perhaps you've just seen photos of them? perhaps that's why when you 'saw one close up' the user couldn't show you how to? because the user wasn't there after all? neither was the device actually there in the flesh? So terry where did you see the device 'close up' i just spoke to the uk agent who confirmed that there's none in the uk other than 1 in stroud, 1 in bristol & 1 in between? furthermore he's never shown you one of them? 1 did travel to essex for a private demo 2 weeks ago but not to your firm terry? its a small world this industry ay?

on the sw you can pre tension loads on the bollard no problem, done 100's of them where did you see a sw close up? there's only 3 in the UK & all in gloucestershire/avon??? i dont make a habit of pooo pooing products the grcs is great but there is now a better alternative, loads & loads of sw's have been sold abroad, all the best riggers/ climbers ive worked with across Europe recommend them over the grcs but then, like me, unlike everyone i have ever heard talk the sw down i & they have used both.

didn't mean to have mislead anyone but its £200+vat + travel expense, didn't realize travel was extra boss said 2day, mikes local to us though so was SFA

you get £200 of directing rigging operations ability, i doubt very much he'd climb leaving us to operate the SW unsupervised, maybe though, as we're pretty experienced on these sorts of device, that said he was better placed on the ground, my boss was well pleased, he instructed us to do things & take sections we would never had believed possible boss reckoned we saved 2 days work with 4men, job was 2 days with us 4 +mike and another 2 rigging down the last of the timber & clearing up. I learnt loads, just wished id videoed everything he taught us or wrote it down

poor straps? the same strap as on the grcs! only you thread it on the rachet axle giving you waaaaay more power when tensioning! poor mounting plate? stronger & lighter made out of a high grade stainless steel? are you even talking about the same device?? it achieves what you are complaining about and some, switch between wrapping on the winch to the metal bollard. have you ever used a smart winch?? i've used both, i used one of the 1st grcs's into the country & still use one. Further more i wont be ripping the winch out of the bottom of the mounting plate by mounting the metal bollard above it like you have suggested in your post. instead i will use a device purpose designed for you to be able to rig on a metal drum, winch or both: the SW

the guy we bought our smart winch goes out for £200 with his winch, several rigging lines including a super static one, heavy duty speed line pulleys, loads of impact blocks, 2 porta wraps, spider slings, whoopies, dead eyes, 10's of slings, basically a van load of rigging gear.

so do arbortec also make the harkie & dragon then?

stop messing around and buy a smart winch!!!

wow! some1 mentioned this thread to me the other day & i cant believe some of the comments. we bought a SW a month or so ago & its been invaluable. I've used the grcs for about 7 years but found the SW to be a great improvement. lighter, less damage to retained trees in many cases, easier to get required tension on strap, way grippyer winch bollard, stronger, stainless steel not mild steel with black paint on the top, free install/ half day training when we bought it; pics to follow . we used it on an even narrower birch tree than the thin one MH pictured, tensioned it up, looked weird with the side plates sticking out but held fast & hardly damaged the bark where as the grcs's hinges would have meant the side plates were sticking into the stem like knives as they do when you're on a bid cedar or similar with buttresses.

you can use reasonable force to prevent a person causing physical injury to himself or any other person, you can also arrest & retrain them using reasonable force however you you must let them know you are doing so at the earliest possible opportunity. you must however believe that they could come to/ cause injury to themselves or others, if your site is merely 'taped off' without the correct barriers/ signs/ notifications you would be breaching H&S law/ guidance and this might not bode well for you but is a separate issue. security of a site IS part of your obligations under H&S, your assessment may well be to employ a guard on certain sites, someone that is trained and qualified to restrain & remove people. practically i find that in the words of my man "Mikey dread the man well fed" KILL THEM WITH KINDNESS!! we had a job which involved closing an urban FP in stroud, a very popular cut through. The council had granted the closure, all signage & barriers were in place, as were barriers and diversion maps. The RA identified disgruntled members of the public barging through barriers as a likely risk with potentially high consequences. Were to be rigging & swinging sizable sections over the path all day and the potential for small widdow-maker sections breaking off was high not to mention the ever present possibility of a silky finding its way to the ground or a climber fumbling a krab & it falling over the path. all staff were advised to remain vigilant and to prevent any headstrong people from entering the drop zone by requesting verbally, referring them to the cp if possible and if necessary using reasonable force. several people barged through the barriers, i dealt with all of them, all bar one group of three required no more than a verbal request to turn back even if i did have to insist several times: "please the FP is closed; I am not allowed to let you past, i'd be in so much trouble if i did, besides that i couldn't live with my self were i to let you through and something fall from that tree and strike you on the head, if that climber fumbles a single steel karabiner at that height it could kill you, i could not live with my-self were something to happen to you" one of the most persistent was a Buddhist woman! i repeated myself many times and raised my arms wide, sidestepping rapidly to prevent her from darting around me repeating the "PLEASE i couldn't live with my self" line she saw i was ready to lay hands on her if needs be smiled, thanked me and turned back around the day before that 3 very unsavory lads came through the barriers. Exactly the same tactics nearly worked, 2 of them looked pretty intoxicated & wired, all were very verbal, 2 eventually resigned to turning back but 1 dipped his shoulder and went to barge through me, i placed my hand on him and bursted him about 1.5m backwards telling him i am not aloud to let you through, do you have any idea how bad i'd feel if some harm came to you because i let you through. he was very verbal but defiantly unsettled by the kind words and the fact that some1 was prepared to get physical with him, something that i'm not sure many people have ever done to him. his friends by this point were incessant that he should just walk round with them. The boss was amazed i had gone to such lengths with 3 such burly undesirable characters, i wouldn't expect it of anyone but i was perfectly happy to physically prevent these 3 and those before them if needs be. Kill them with kindness, be polite and only resort to physical measures IF you are comfortable and ONLY when all else has failed.

Stravo! Drago mi je stompy, i travel in the Balkans ALLOT (my avatar is from when i was in the dinaric alps on the serb/ bosnian border), what felling experience do you have? if you like maybe i could stop by and give you a crash course? so long as you have two tree's hammock distance apart and don't mind me stopping for a couple of days id be delighted to show you some tricks of the trade. I work both climbing in the uk and as a trainer. i'm next out in the winter (mid feb to march) but will be out again at the end of july for a month or 2. email me at [email protected] if your interested! Do vidjenja!

The law states that, Any person can arrest a person who is in the act of committing an indictable offence or Anyone whom he reasonably suspects to be committing such an offence, if it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make the arrest instead and it is necessary to arrest the person for one of the below reasons, To prevent the person in question, causing physical injury to himself or any other person; suffering physical injury; causing loss of or damage to property; or making off before a constable can assume responsibility for him. There a few points to raise about the above paragraph. 1. What is an indictable offence? An indictable offence is an offence that can be tried at Crown Court. Below are examples of indictable offences which are the most likely to be encountered by members of the public, theft burglary criminal damage. 2. How do I know if I can make a citizens arrest? You can make an arrest if the suspect is actually committing the offence or if you reasonably suspect them of committing it, or when the offence has been committed and you reasonably suspect them of having committed it. There is no specific wording to use when making a citizens arrest. However you must inform the person you are arresting as soon as possible what you are doing, why you are doing it and what offence you believe the person has committed.

its a shame you're not more local, i have a friend who is a renowned behaviorist & trainer she even keeps & trains dogs especially to work with dogs like yours, and allot lot worse for that matter. She almost literally works miracles! she is a very clever very special woman but she is super frank & matter of fact with people & sometimes it rubs people up the wrong way but the proof is in the pudding! ill always remember a dog she worked with, horrific start in life & wouldn't just scrap with other dogs it would kill them! very very rare for a dog to do that you wouldn't believe me if i told you what it was like 12 or even 4 months later. You listen to her, you do as she says, it works, different dogs need very different methods but she reads them, she can tell what their underlying motivations are. It does take some time & some money though, she dictates how regular you should have a session & whether or not it should be 1to1, a group session or one with one of her k9 aids. consider it if you can im sure their are people that do similar work up your way.

in order: 1: daily inspection by user before use 2: weekly written log by user of items subject to high levels or wear & tear (IN ARB THAT MEANS THOSE USED THAT WEEK) 3: 6 monthly thorough examination for items used to lift people and 12 months for those to lift loads other than people all are law, the interpretation of hlwt can be argued by people behind keyboards on on-line forums all day long, in court however i'd give it 30-90 minutes written logs are a habit that once efficient systems are in place should take about 20-40 mins per week. climb safe

SW: £2200 with a half days training, half day training includes mike bringing £1000's & £1000's of extra rigging gear to demo various tips & tricks like super static rigging lines, , several types of speed line, multiple re-directs to correct vectors. We learnt just how important that is when you start using all that winching power! GRCS: £1895 no training, to hire mike for the day as the CP would have cost £350! to have him as a contract climber/ rigger would have been £200 + travel costs which as we were local are nil all prices are ex vat I'll probably be in trouble for writing it but mike actually did us a full day install at no extra cost as we were so local

yea its our loler inspector, he knows steven & was out in Holland with him last weekend to pick some up. it was great having someone with so much experience & equipment on the job and to install/ deliver the winch, saved us loads of suck it & see learning time!

here's some pics! PS the installer, Mike, brought a special super static rigging line with him for hauls & picks which made things even smoother & quicker but the rope was like £580!! dyneema core polyester cover 17mm, maybe santa will bring us one....

no way worth the money, not considering a smart winch is only a bit more & it comes with a free in person delivery & half day training on the device, we just got one & hired the installer in for an extra day to really get to grips with the device & to help out on this monster job. its stronger, lighter, lets you rig 2 lines at once. the tension cam is sprung so isn't a finger steal-er! the winch can be locked off if you are worried when it comes to taking wraps off, the stronger steel bollard can easily be pree tensiond using the winch, you needn't faff around with stupid clips & pins when you want to lower big bits/ when snatching just use the outer bollard, i've used grcs's for years and this SW is a whole new level! its made out of a high grade stainless steel which is way stronger than the grcs steel yet lighter! don't even consider the grcs, not now the SW is in stock in the uk call 07835029923 to speak to the guy that's importing them he travels about the country and can demo it to you when he's in your area, well worth the extra IMO!