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And probably Mick. Make the list as long as you like. A long list of wrong people is still a list of wrong people.

What if what if what if. What if you tackle him, he wins and now he's buoyed by his victory and decides everyone else is getting it? What if what if what if. The eighty five year old woman from the news article I posted is behind you in the queue. What for her without her gun now? What if what if what if.

Probably because they're worried about looking like gun-toting nutters because that's how the other side of the debate wants to frame them. I'm not worried about that because I know I can debate civilly. And because I'm doing the heavy lifting of arguing my side of the matter anyway (broadly speaking - the argument has more than two sides). The ones that disagree with me, I think are wrong for probably the same reasons I think other people (you, Steven, markie, Matty, Bolam from memory) are wrong. More later. It's an important debate but lunch and my power steering are also important.

I don't wake up shaking with fear that today's the day the kitchen tap might burst. I have a spanner though. There's a difference between being rattling paranoid and keeping a spanner. It's an individual rights thing. I champion your right to wrestle a man in a coffee shop with a screwdriver if you want to. I champion your right to shoot him if you want to. Why won't you respect my right to not want to wrestle him?

Tell this woman she should have had the balls to wrestle him. Woman, 85, shoots dead masked intruder while handcuffed to a chair in 'heroic act of self-preservation' NEWS.SKY.COM Christine Jenneiahn, who was at home with her disabled son at the time, was able to drag herself to a bedroom and retrieve her pistol after Derek Condon...

Maybe you're Bruce Lee but I'm not. What about a stanley knife? Do I fck want to hand fight someone with one. I'd run. But if I couldn't run, am I better fighting someone at six inches or six feet? Six feet please. Twenty feet better. Next postcode better still.

I'll be as scared (and prepared) as I want to be. You do you. But I'd prefer if you didn't trivialise the topic. For 40 people in Sydney, it is currently anything but trivial. They were having a bbq in a theoretically and statistically safe place and suddenly they were being shot at. Put yourself in thier shoes.

They can be as good as you like and as quick as humanly possible but they're not with you every second of the day. Look where you are now. A bloke is standing forty feet away pointing a gun at you. Do you stand a better chance with your own gun or waiting for the police? Will they be there in: 1 second 5 seconds 1 minute 5 minutes Say the Bondi response was 10 minutes (600 seconds). 40 people shot. 545 seconds late for the first person. 15 seconds late for the last person. All late, however late. Your premise is wrong anway. I've shot with armed coppers (normal county police, MOD police and military police). One was capable. The rest were useless. I don't imagine it's any better outside of my sample (probably eight or so). They're government workers. They'll probably be useless.

Nothing will stop violence. We've been braying each other with sticks and jawbones since day dot. People with no regard for the law will be violent with whatever they can get and people who do follow the law will have nothing. You could carry here only a hundred years ago. There was no epidemic of unwanted/unnecessary shootings. At what point do individual rights become eclipsed by group rights? How many people? If individual rights are bricks, at what point does a wall made of bricks cease to be bricks and only be a wall?

No. Merge them. Everything section 2. Next week, everything deregulated.

@markieg31 I'm not interested in the US. I'm interested in surviving someone wanting to stick a screwdriver in my stomach in England. Why should anyone be able to tell me, "No. Run the higher risk or we'll put you in prison." Why should a jewish father in Australia have to just hide his wife and kids behind a bin and hope the shooting stops? Some bloke steps round the corner and points his rifle at your children first. He's there with nothing. That's not fair.

For anyone interested in studying the battlefield and coming to their own conclusions on tactics and winning the firefight, I'd suggest google streetview. The girl in orange sandals and the long shirt carries herself with a very agreeable ease.

Good question. Don't know.

It's not a surprise nor unreasonable that the coppers couldn't get there and fix it in under x minutes. There aren't many of them, cities are big and congested; it takes time to go places and time to make sure they're not being ambushed on the way in etc (remember the policewoman in Machester who got lured into a grenade attack). The problem is the authorities know this but prevent people from defending themselves anyway. They assume the individual's right to self-defence on the basis that they will use that right and power instead, to do for the individual what they would have ordinarily done for themselves. Then they don't keep up their end of the bargain. It's a failed short-sell. They borrow more than they can pay back. They're a shepherd who tethers his stock and goes to bed rather than watch them. He knows he can't stay awake all night and that if a wolf comes, he can't do much. But he still prevents them saving themselves.

Just loads of individual ones. And loads of other individual offences that could have been deterred by the possibility of armed opposition or thwarted by actual armed opposition.

I’ve already paid for the ones strapped to a policeman though.

The same thing as before I tried. Why does nobody level that argument at state police, military etc? If I wanted to do what the Bondi blokes did, I’d hit an armed copper with a car and take his guns.

Only Steven took me up on governments disarming jews. Matty had the good sense to keep his tyrannical desires to himself. Markie ducked it like a Paxman interview when he saw what I was driving at. What was I driving at? The 1930s German government disarmed jews. The 1940s German government pushed them onto trains then gassed them to death. That’s why governments shouldn’t be able to disarm people. Don’t be silly, Alex. They disarm everyone equally these days. Everyone but themselves you might note.

It might sound like you’re joking but you’re not or you shouldn’t be. You need equal or greater force to resist a given force.

Time to seriously talk about common sense car control laws.

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I'll wait until tomorrow for the answers to my jewish problem. Until then, enjoy something gratuitous:

Should governments stop jews having guns? Yes or no?

Play along and answer my question first please.