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Bolt

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  1. @difflock :- )
  2. @Marc The term Personal Fall Protection System comes straight from Schedule 5, Part 1 of WaHR 2005 It is used as a general term that includes: Work Positioning Systems (What it was generally assumed that DdRT type systems were) Rope Access and Positioning Systems (What some people believed SRT was, (although some didn’t, because this definition require a higher level of ‘compliance’ than Work Positioning Systems do)) Fall Arrest Systems (Systems that allow you to fall, and decelerate you safely..... we don’t talk about them) Work Restraint Systems. (Such as a short strop that holds you into a MEWP bucket, so you can’t fall out). In that respect, the diagram is non-prescriptive in what type of system (or technique) you choose to use.
  3. But employers with large staff turnovers don’t do that. They’re looking for the next member of staff to fulfil the contract they.... underpriced. An employer has a legal obligation to provide competent staff. This goes way beyond just training and includes experience, aptitude, and physical ability. Although employers should be giving this their utmost attention, far too many (from the large to the small) are too busy being fixated in a financial race to the bottom. Climbing up a tree, with a second long rope, may not go very far in fixing that.
  4. An assessor doing an NPTC 308 assessment has a couple of hours tops to draw an impression of whether someone is cut out to do aerial chainsaw. What is more, the assessors job is to judge against a published criteria, not to judge the employability of a candidate. An employer has days / weeks / months to build a relationship with a worker and judge their suitability... surely employers are in a better position to ‘filter people out’ before they fuck themselves and the rest of us over?
  5. I fear the problem is that our industry seems to expect (or be under the impression) that staff with an NPTC ticket are fully trained and competent. Regardless of the quality, length or high benchmark of any training program, you will never get workplace ready, experienced and competent staff. For them, they need to actually do the job, and that requires training on the job. Proper training, not box ticking exercises. Unfortunately, If you want proper trained staff, you will only achieve that by the entire industry stepping up and embracing a proper, vocationally assesses apprenticeship scheme. I don’t think the industry is quite ready for that yet.
  6. Hi Scotspine Having carefully read the draft ICOP, I think I have a solution for your DdRT (MRT as the ICOP calls it) conundrum that’s not only keeps me within the scope of current legislation, but also maintains my insurability! Do-ya-wanna-hear-it, ‘eh? Do-ya-wanna?
  7. Hi Jake, Sorry. You are completely correct. There is no need to get personal, and I apologise if my written comments caused offence or annoyance. Alas, a throwaway and flippant remark that is made in conversation can take on far more significance when written down. Having said that, I actually do hope you are not employed in a role that requires you to hand out h+s advice, or write company policy, but only because both those roles are nowhere near as much fun as clambering around the canopy, cutting the trees that no one else will.
  8. Very effective looking hat you’ve got there.
  9. @Marc I only started looking into this the other day (up to that point I was happily absorbed in the TVI woodland thread). From the impression I had picked up upto that point, I gathered that it was going to be law (according to the HSE) that you had to have two complete systems, able to reach the deck at all times. Once I had actually looked with my own eyes at the draft ICOP, I saw that there appeared to be a certain amount of hearsay, disinformation and 4th columning going on. Reading the draft ICOP is not hard. I am not interested in who apparently said what to whom. I am not interested in personal agendas, or fake news. I urge everyone to read the ICOP, draw their own conclusions from what is actually written (NOT from what some bloke on the internet seems to have dreamt up) and complete the consultation survey for themselves.
  10. You keep saying that according to the draft ICOP that I MUST have two full length climbing systems in the tree, but for MRT, WHERE IN THE DRAFT ICOP IS IT STATED? Where are the actual words? The draft ICOP is publicly viewable, you must realise that anyone can look at it and see that what you are saying is written, is in reality, not actually there! ?
  11. Do I spy an agenda here? Maybe you have an SRT agenda.... maybe your agenda involves training....
  12. So you advocate MRT working where there are two ropes attached to the climber at all times (possibly adding to the complexity of the current system and it’s management) and then you say the current training is inadequate anyway. Your approach seems slightly contradictory. I hope you are not employed in a role that requires you to hand out h+s advice, or write company policy!
  13. ALL scenarios! Of the incidents I’ve investigated, the best rescues involved a MEWP. If you REALLY think that “We should be prepared and have systems for all scenarios,” then it looks like there should be emergency-evac spider MEWPS in every site then. Nice.
  14. How ridiculous. If one long rope got cut as I chainsawed my arm, it is highly likely the other long rope got compromised as well. If you were anymore risk averse, you would be proposing that we have an additional emergency kit safely stashed on our belt, just in case. Our occupational health and safety system is based on the Health and Safety Act, which requires a reasonablity aspect to be used when planning and preparing for work. A lump of Ice could strike a climber on the head whilst working, or an escaped polar bear from the zoo could maul the groundsman, but no one would reasonably expect an employer to take this into account, would they? It’s just not reasonable.
  15. Of course you can, But just for clarity, the question above is what I would expect from someone who is in favour of MRT being undertaken with two ropes long enough to reach the ground at all times. Is this the case or have I failed to understand your question?
  16. Why, If you don’t want it, and the draft ICOP does not state it is mandatory (for MRT) do you keep harping on about it then. Its exactly this kind of over-zealous misinterpretation of regulations and legislation, spread about by pint-sized-part-time-wannabe H+S ‘experts’ *that gets our nation into the overcompliance nightmares that we so find ourselves in. *not that I am implying in any way that anyone on here is a pint-sized-part-time-wannabe H+S ‘expert‘
  17. Cool, my long rope/ short rope / lanyard MRT system looks like a winner to me. Always been a wizard with my rope discipline.
  18. Nope. I asked about the draft ICOP. Why are you misquoting what I asked for? The draft ICOP does not clearly state that for MRT both rope have to be long enough to reach the ground. Why are you making the contents of the ICOP out to be more onerous for MRT than it is?
  19. I cut my arm AND my main line. Jeeez, not having a great day am I, what a dullard. Anyway, our industry’s solution is to have a trained and equipped aerial rescuer on site, who is competent and able to perform an immediate and effective aerial rescue. For you, that is suddenly not good enough, so the situation is for the overhyped 2-long-ropes-to-the-ground-system that you proposed so that..... I can cut my arm AND I can cut the end off my first long rope BUT as long as my second long rope is miraculously fully intact and operational, and I can simply use that to breeze effortlessly to the ground in time for tea and medals. What a guy ?
  20. Do you really mean that you are against the mandatory/enforced two rope SRT system at all times being pushed by the HSE and AA. If so, just come out and admit it. Continuing to appear to spread disinformation does little to add weight to you arguments.
  21. No it doesn’t. I feel you are pushing your own agenda here. I think that spreading disinformation is a very poor way to try to improve the tree industry. Nothing in you screenshot above disproves what I am saying.
  22. Yes I can. It’s an emergency situation and I can use my short rope in conjunction with my lanyard.
  23. @scotspine1 So I required a second climbing system, based on a shorter rope, that I can use in conjunction with a lanyard, allowing me to descend to the ground in an emergency situation (such as destroying my main system). Been working like that for years.
  24. Cool. My long rope / short rope / lanyard system works within that perfectly. No prison soap-on-a-rope for me.
  25. As for C+G NPTC, that are an awarding body, offering nationally accredited assessments. They don’t produce ‘legislation’ but they should follow industry best practice (Such as the ICOP following the drafting, consultation and acceptance process).

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