kevin bingham

Unless they can stop the postman.

Maybe 1RT and 2RT would be less confusing

I also believe that nothing should be compulsory. This is something I have found that makes me a better more productive and safer climber. In the week long rope access courise I took, I didn't see any shock absorbers and while the harnesses were full body, they were pretty much the same as tree harnesses minus the floating bridges. I have heard how tree work and rope access are completely different, I did not find them that much different. To me, I am a literalist and single means one and double means two. SRT and DRT covers all the bases for what I am doing. Sometimes while climbing SRT I will use a technique where I take a single line and half it giving me a 2:1 advantage. I might even take the single rope and set up a v rig or m rig. All single rope techniques. As is top roping in rock climbing and lead climbing. Double rope technique is when you utilize two ropes. That makes the most sense to me and since I climb both srt and drt, it helps me differentiate between the two techniques.

Two bridges is key! So is two swivels. Greatly reduces tangles. I have two pantins as well as two ropes and anchors. Have to say the gear dealers should promote DRT like crazy.

The title of this thread is funny.

This is all I have at the moment. I since have put a swivel on both bridges. This was an elm growing in both sides of the power with four service drops. I had very stable work positioning. I would say that not every situation calls for DRT. But approaching every tree with two ropes gives you the option when needed. It is much easier to just drop a rope if it gets in the way than to add a rope if the situation calls for it. I have been surprised at how often it improves my situation to have two ropes.

My hope is to have them available by november.

Old mill, as a personal note. I was very lackadaisical about the use of my lanyard and only used it when convenient. But that was just me.

I think the complexities of two ropes is over stated. I find two ropes to be quite helpful in many occasions. I find it to much less complex then doubled rope climbING honestly

I was climbing over a year on the runner srt before drt so it didn't quite coincide.

Yes. I have done it with wrenches as well but the self tending of the runners make it nice. I use them SRT as well though.

Absolutely. I still don't know how I feel about DRT. For some reason though, it's ticking a lot of boxes as for what I want out of my day at work. It's definitely not easy and it's a mind twister if there ever was one. That might be why I'm digging it. My challenge to my self was to be tied in twice 100% while making cuts. What's the easiest way to do that. Dismantling a Spruce tree for example. Two lines, no lanyard slash away. Which is honestly what I would do SRT too. Seriously? buck in every time you go to make a cut? I just want to slash.

I think one rope while using sharp tools has ALWAYS been considered dangerous. Rope access guys can't beleive how fixated arborists are to WORKING on a single line. That's the key. It's work we are talking about where speed is a distant second to safety. And no job is important enough to take chances. Cut lines and unclipped carabiners are a very common way that people die in our business. I personally know three people who have changed their lives forever by cutting their single line. Another fact that horrifies rope access guys who rarely see death in their industry. Another interesting thing to me hanging out with SPRAT guys is how they regard our fixation with triple and quadruple locking biners and complete intolerance for loose carabiner etc. They seem to regard this as kin to superstition. The fact is SRT climbers have only one system so they make all kinds of weird rules regarding its use like " the holes on pulleys can't be bigger than the gate on a carabiner." And now we are seeing quadruple locking carabiners! That to me is crazy. The answer to me is simple. Two systems. One fails you got another one to go.

I don't think SRT is dangerous. Although going from drt back to SRT feels sketchy when I do. Very exposed. I am not calling for regulation changes. I feel the regulations as they are pretty much mandate two ropes as it is. But ddrt definitely sucks drt so it's never been done. I honestly beleive I am faster drt than I would be SRT if I made sure I was effectively tied in twice while using sharp tools. I also like being able to diversify my anchor points. I have found myself going for the higher redirect and having the other line back me up on a more solid redirect, this give me confidence to get way out there. Never having to unweight the system while moving through the canopy is a great plus that I quickly miss when I go SRT.

Why are you opposed to two ropes in a tree. every training I've ever been to says you must be tied in twice while cutting AND you should have an access line installed. No climber I know does either although they all say they do. My ropes are sometimes parallel and sometimes divergent. The amount of rope I have to tend and deal with is exactly equal to what I used to have to deal with ddrt. One of the best features of climbing with two ropes is to not have to unweight myself from my line to pass through redirects. My access to the canopy is greater. I am definitely slower although my ascent is faster by far. Which is pretty fast because I was clocked at 12 seconds for 50 feet SRT. I think I could do 100 feet sub 20 DRT but I haven't tried. Now I'm just talking ****. I can also do back flips and front flips DRT which is not very usefull but it makes it funner than SRT. I have found alternating redirects a very good technique. It means each rope passes through half the redirects. To me, it feels good. I still SRT quite a bit, I'll drop one line when my lanyard will work well but for the most part I approach every tree with two ropes and two anchors.

So yiu lanyard in to a limb that you don't want to out your full weight on? I have never seen a climber effectively tie in twice while using sharp tools with a single rope and lanyard. Almost everyone cheats. For me not to cheat SRT, I would be slower for sure than I am DRT.

Totally busted.

How do you tie in when your out on a limb?

It gets used quite a lot.

But drew. You are required to be tied in twice while cutting. I have not found that possible 100% with an SRT mindset. Tying in twice just doesn't make sense sometimes SRT. Why not just tie in twice from the beggining. I'm not loving it but I also could never be that guy who slings my lanyard around every time I use my saw. I'm not going for speed in my work environment.

And I still climb SRT when it is clearly the more practical option. But I always have two ropes in the tree with me and I am always tied into two bomber anchors when I use sharp tools. Stephen, where you anchor your rope is not a question of SRT or DDRT or ddrt, it is just a question of where you anchor your rope.

I went to a SPRAT training class for rope access. What the guy was saying about the reasons behind two lines made a lot of sense to me. I hAve found that I am slower but safer, and I using two ropes allows for some great work positioNing and access to the tips of the canopy.

Marc, I totally understand not trusting a single line. Rope access guys don't. It sas on petzl equipment and rock exotica gear to not trust a single line. Most work related rules state we must be tied in twice when making cuts. I think it makes perfect sense, we use sharp tools in trees. Why trusts a single rope or anchor especially while operating equipment. I don't think it makes much sense honestly. I have been really working on using two ropes instead of just a single rope and I do think my safety has very much improved. Its just not often that you find tree climbers that don't trust themselves with a single line.

You don't trust single rope technique? Not enough ropes for you? Have you been using two ropes? I can see that going from two ropes to one would be nerve racking.

here is how to do the transfer. I have been doing a lot of rope to rope transfers in the tree. It is very helpull to get good at. The midline attachability is useful