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So you were 720kg overweight? How high was the chip stacked? What sort of fine you talking for this- 3 points and £100?

350 is what I estimated 713kg is the actual weight. A relatively small pile of logs with air gaps is near on 3/4 of a ton . That pile was only 1.4m heigh . It's ridiculously heavy

THE GRAND REVEAL ON THE WEIGHT OF LEYLANDII LOGS The pile to me looked like 350-400kg but felt like more in the back of the truck Estimates here have been 240kg - 980kg The actual weight was : 713 KGs Congrats to all participants and winner is Waterbuoy being 7kg out at 720kg. I find it surprising that this small pile weighed so much! It would be very easy to go over limits and not realise. I will be doing the same with woodchip in the next few weeks. Most likely conifer of some sort. I think lorry's are fitted with some sort of weighing scales. Plane weights are calculated from average person weights which is necessary for fuel use/take off speeds etc. This would be tricky with logs but I would be interested to do some with hardwood logs and also see some done for larger transit tippers. Whats the load limit on a cabstar or transit tipper? If a ton these must regularly be overloaded if a level load in a pickup weighs 700kg or there abouts.

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Grove and Dean are OK. £450 per year for £2.5m . Can always do small jobs without insurance if there is no/minimal risk to public and property - hedgecutting, small tree jobs etc

Thanks. Not yet in the right 100s So far: 400kg 500kg 550kg 560kg 600kg 650kg 880kg Also does anyone know if total payload effects allowed towing weight ? My Isuzu rodeo 2004 2wd states 1750 kerb (unladen vehicle + 1 person) 2800kg gvw (max payload 1050kg) 2000kg towing. So its correct that I can have 1050kg in truck and tow 2000kg at the same time? Not planning this as I only tow 750 braked but good to know.

It's interesting that the estimations are so varied but goes to show how difficult the estimations are . Ie 450kg - 980kg Ideally some sort of matt that goes on the bed of pickup to measure weight would be good so that can be totally sure. In the back of pickup I thought this might be getting near max but when got them back and stacked outside as you see in pictures I would have guessed 350kg given its soft wood and the pile doesn't look big. I am going to do the same for woodchip. I want to get an idea of weights involved.

Thanks for estimates. Exact weight will be revealed I had to use dumpy bag and a luggage weight scale weigh it. I left another small pile on job site as didnt want to overload.

What would your weight estimate be for freshly cut Leylandii logs level load in a single cab pickup- see pictures below . Payload of truck is 1045kg - is it near this or way off? I have measured the combined weight of these logs and would like to see what people's estimates are. Given this is probably a common load I guess people might have some idea? I will reveal the exact weight in kgs after several people have made educated guesses!

Ideally need some panniers. I can get my climbing kit, fuel and chainsaw - either ms200t or ms150t in the panniers/top box and have done some reasonable size tree work like this. A box matches in pocket to burn the waste.

Stealth job with the MS150 on motorbike. Saw, fuel and climbing kit fit in panniers and all stuff staying on site. I really like the MS150 very light and capable. Removed these elms with no problem - stems were 8-10 inch which matches the bar on the 150. Recommend the 150 for pruning and small dismantes.

Quote from Devon Live: An independent investigation on behalf of the Health and Safety Executive was carried out by Simon Cox, an arboricultural consultant. He told the jury how he had examined the stump of the first tree that had been felled which was an example of a 'good practice' of felling. The jury were told that in tree felling, a hinge allows the direction and rate of fall to be controlled. However, when carrying the felling cut (back cut) in the second tree Mr McConnell had 'severed' the hinge meaning it had been cut through most of its length causing the tree to fall in a different direction. Mr Cox said: "The directional felling cuts were not competently applied which resulted in an adequate hinge." He added: " In making the felling cut, for whatever reason, he continued to cut where he severed the hinge." A possible reason given for the error was that Mr McConnell could have been 'compromised' by the working space and escape routes around the tree - a steep slope and protruding stumps from previously felled trees - which would have been a 'hindrance'. The report concluded the correct methodology, planning and execution had been carried out within industry standards with the exception of the final cut by Mr McConnell which caused the tree to fall in an unintended direction.

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Sole trader on own tree job/hedge at £350pd x 2 days per week VS working for someone else £100pd x 2 days. business costs are say £100pw so £400 extra money so easy to see why many choose to go on their own.

sole trader gardeners and tree guys can choose to run there own business how they see fit. Not everyone wants to build a massive business. Just the same as a plumber may choose to work one day a week.

Why not start a business? Much nicer being your own boss

For smaller businesses wages for groundie or climber seem to be on a day rate of between £80-200 pd. Due to fluctuations in work load, business costs, etc I doubt the owners of these smaller businesses pay themselves a wage consistently much more than this per day ie (15-50k per year?). When I say small business I mean 1-3 man operations sole traders/ltd. I don't know about larger tree businesses but I guess directors seeing 100k per year in the arb world is rare (Unless your milling and then seeing £200k PA is quite feasible!). I think before you can comment on if a wage for a worker is suitable you need to know what the owner is making? Many do seem to run small tree businesses as a lifestyle - choosing to work part time etc.

Milling timber certainly sounds different to general arb at those rates. For me £400 would be for myself and worker for a 6-8hr day. I make £300 for day and worker £100. I need to cover quoting, running equipment, wage etc. Market forces that rate and plenty will work for it. I don't think its greedy to pay a worker £100. Likewise I dont think its greedy making a profit on your finished timber. It is what it is and you shouldn't worry about it. Milling does sound lucrative but I guess it needs very expensive equipment?

Sounds good - there is money in arb/timber if you set up yourself. Are you still concerned about £100 for someone to turn up with a saw and help a tree surgery business?

Teacher. 3 year degree + 1 year teacher training. Starting day rate of £131.87 per day. ( Teach 30 plus children and prepare lesson) Arb NPTC (6 weeks) Starting rate £90- £100 per day (Turn up and drag branches out of garden) I think you can see why arb appeals!

If employed yes. Many do supply teaching which is just turn up for a few days . Rates are not dissimilar to Arb and they are 3 year degree qualified compared with someone with NPTC tickets which take a few days to achieve. Classroom Teachers Pay Scale Annual Pay Daily Pay Min M1 £25,714 £131.87 M2 £27,600 £141.54 M3 £29,664 £152.13 M4 £31,778 £162.97 M5 £34,100 £174.88 Max M6 £36,961 £189.55 Min U1 £38,690 £198.41 U2 £40,124 £205.77

So probably aware that you can earn good coin if you set up yourself? Do you employ people? If so I hope your paying good wages!

Why are you so concerned about what people are willing to work for in arb? 100 a day is similar to nurses, teachers all of which require degree level training. Are you on there forums also worrying about how much they earn?

Every little helps though. That 2-3 pounds an hour is an extra 80-120 per wk. Plus playing with saws in gardens with tea etc is much more appealing than being on the tills for 8hrs!

Unless contract ie utility, council etc Arb jobs are rarely more than a few days so companies find it difficult to employ especially when overheads/cost of equipment are extremely high. Much easier in building trade where a few extensions can fill the diary for a year and so easy to know figures with much lower equipment cost/overheads. I think on the whole arb is for guys in there 20s who are looking for a bit of fun and excitement before moving on to something else or setting up there own and getting the young guys on a ton a day to do the work.