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Its only been up for 5 days! Or do you mean yuo have not seen that kind of work before?? It is a bit unusual!! He posted about it on here a couple of weeks ago before he did the work. Not sure what the thread was called.

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Have you found any comp climbing footage of MC? There is not much of it on the net.

No chance! Third. He won the work climb though and footlock!

He is world champion again this year isn't he? To my mind the best climber in the world. He may not have won it as much as Beddes but he has qualified in his chapter comp 13 (might be 14) years in a row!! Beddes is just unique and gifted, mark is a bit more regular he just works hard! Put the vids up...

Reg, I think I was getting a bit defensive (again) and over complicated my answer, but this job was never going to be a crane job and not a great one for discussion/comparrison because it was an over the phone job. I dont have that much work that I'm always looking to squeeze more jobs into a week. When I want a crane I'll get one. That would have been a better reply.

James, just seen your video. Perfect job for a crane!! Tree behind garage, lift it out, all done in a day, good stuff.

Where are all these extra jobs coming from? Do you have more work than there are days in the year? If you have to win these jobs in the first place then you have to be cheaper than the competition. If you have to be cheaper and then pay a crane company, and then do twice as many jobs, and then run out of work sooner, you will be twice as stressed not twice as rich!

Reg your spot on, we got £450 for that job, but only because I thought it would be smaller and said "Minumum £450" if we come out tomorrow. Once I had mentioned £450 I was never likely to get any more out of the tight farmer than that! Anyway if I had priced it beforehand I might have priced it at £500 maybe even £550 but I doubt it. So for £450.00 I turn up with a groundie that cost me £60 so I made one journey to and from a site and made initial profit of £390 happy days. £350 for a crane? Plus vat? I'm not vat registered so thats £420 I would have to pay. Thats more than my profit for a day!! So I'm down on the first job but if I want to I can go and empty the truck and find something else to do to make up the difference, I don't think so somehow. You right it does depend on what other jobs are available to do, but this is rural gloucestershire so my work is spread around a bit. I can see that a crane making a two day job into one is good, as long as you have five days work that week, if not then you have just lost a days profit to another company. MArk is right, why would I want to give a days profit to another company, when it can stay in my pocket? Which is why I asked you that bold question. I assume then you have never paid for a crane? I dont think you would want to. Its none of my business what you charge for the climbing work, but I'm sure it less than that crane price?? (and thats just a small crane) so if you could go home with half the money for the crane on top of your normal day rate you would be happy I am sure? And if it meant you had to come back tomorrow a that same rate again you would be happy. Cranes have their place, mostly when there is no drop zone, which is why I'm surprised you are suggesting it on this thread? Easy job this one, not dangerous or labour intensive, just bosh it down, chip it up. Simples

Seperate question Reg, How many cranes have you paid for yourself compared to how many you have been contracted in to work with?

How much does a 10T crane costs and how much do you think I got for this job and much could i have saved if I used a crane instead? Give me some figures?

One insurance guy told me that when they get guys phoning up saying they are going to be "subbies" his company will happilly sell them sub contractors insurance! The fact that they dont need it is not his problem. Thats why i try and remind people there is no such thing as a subbie!

Agreed, its too short. It will lock but might not release after loading becaue there is not enoguh movement in the legs to give it the chance to slacken of before the pulley gets to the coils to move them. 1m is nver really enougn, 1.2-1.3 is minimal 1.4-1.5 is about the most, so its always best to buy cordage by the meter in 3/6/9/12 m lenghts so as to make an even number of 1.5m cords that can then have longer tails (or bits cut off if required)

I agree!! I have spoken to insurers and I'm pretty sure I get it! Hence my posts are not random winging (believe it or not). It almost is black and white. The company carrying out the work for the client is responsible for all third part claims ( PL ) arrising from that job. I think its the EL bit thats more complicated, where a worker is injured. But where companies are asking for freelancers to have their own insurance, this is not EL they are talking about anyway, its PL. And that is whats wrong and unecessary. Its not the law to have PL anyway, so no point in two people having it. It IS the law to have EL when employing, and in the eyes of the law bringing in self employed "freelancers" is employing, its labour only employment, so the law is very clear you must have EL to cover them. I could almost understand it if companies were asking freelancers to have their own personal accident insurance, so as to ensure that the companies EL was not used in the event of the freelancer tripping over his own feet! But this is not what companies are asking for, they are askign for PL so they dont have to take responsibilites! ANd this is wrong IMO.

I have a bike, and I climb trees all day, and walk the dog twice a day so not exactly missing out on the fresh air.

Yep, it gives YOU a score.

Yep, live and learn, you did right by getting rid. And I totally agree this should be discussed elsewhere and the thread has been trashed, not my intention but i cant help myself sometimes!! We have discussed this elsewhere before but it keeps coming up again and I personally think its important to keep jumping on it. Even if its a genuine mistake or misunderstanding from folk wanting to employ freelancers that they should have insurance, its worth having these discussions to show that the responsibilty must remain with the company doing the work, unless fully sub contracted out, but even then you need cover that includes sub contracting out. We all need insurance (not by law but morally it is correct) but only one to be used on each work site and thats the one belonging to the person who is hired by the client.

I did yoga for years, was going to be an instructor until I realised how mental they all were. Anyway, one thing I learned very early on was that you cannot be better (or worse) than some else at yoga.

I'm sure its better for them than not doing it, and if they wer enever going to go to the gym then its better than nothing? My gym has just been sold to another company (which is cheaper) but the old company are still taking DD's!! Serves me right for not going in 2 months I suppose but I have now cancelled that DD. I would have to pay a joining fee to go back to the same gym under the new company!!! Since I hardly go to the gym anyway, never using a wii fit would be about the same, so I might as well waste money on that? And can then play games on it too? Logic!!

Steve you dont "know" loads of girls!

What real world? The one that you took your insurance policy out for? I'm sure you sorted it out in the correct manor, but yes you do need to stand and watch them to start with, until you know someone is trustworthy and up to your standards. Then when you are confident you should be able to leave them to it, and if they screw up when you are away then thats called an accident and your insurance has to cover it. If you think they were cutting corners or didn't listen to your instructions then you dont use them again but you cannot pass the buck. If you leave site then that is your choice, you are still responsible for what goes on on your jobs. That is all part of management. In the real world YOU take real responsibilty for what happens. Using a freelancers insurance because you weren't there, or because you didn't supervise, or leave a supervisor is an imaginery world that does not exist, hence the reason for this entire thread.

Enough about bench pressess!! I had a go on a wii fit yesterday, it says my wii fit age is 38 (i'm nearly 41) thats -2 years. Anyone else had a go? Anyone ever actually used one to get fitter?

Dont be daft, he's employed!!! The last thing he needs is to be paying insurance! Sorry Tony, I am sure you can speak for yourself!

Happy Birthday Steve! See you next weekend.