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Mate, what Jared doesn't already know about falling trees, ain't worth knowing....just ask him:biggrin: To his credit though, he's a solid and skillful guy to have on a job. Its just getting him into the mindset that on residential tree's, as opposed to working in the bush....that its not a bad idea to set a precautionary pull-line once in a while instead of trying to wedge every tree over....which I might add he very experienced at, wedging that is.

Mate, nothing to be sorry about whatsoever. Ask what you want, when you want. That's what a forum is about, right! Drift HD is the helmet camera. Thanks again

The cedar was only for firewood. Rotten at the base and again towards the top. If its not being milled, there has to be another reason....other than just cut it low, because If its safer to cut it low, fine. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. That cedar surely wasn't, but still would've gone either way. But for the extra sawing at the flare, and bending down like you said. Why? No need to answer, because this is my answer. Thanks again.

You first, why cut them so low? My back is like new. Im 40, btw.

I dumped all the cedar brush at the bottom of the tree, Jared on the rigging line, about 6 ft deep at the finish. The chipper was probably 100ft away on the road. After, I tied a 200ft rigging line to the top of the cedar pole and then ran it out through a redirect pulley on the far side of the road, and then tied off to the back of my truck. I set a pulley with eight chokers hanging from it on the rigging/zipline, attached as much brush as possible each time and then drove off in the truck elevating the zipline, hence, speeding all the brush out onto the road. Probably got done with two of us more than 4 guys dragging would have.

Joking aside, we get through a hell of alot of work on a given day. The big doug fir log laying down in the vid was about 140, ivolving lots of rigging, zip-lining etc. We had a septic field, gas pipe and powerlines to work around on that job. Plus the cedar in the vid was hanging all over the roof....so perhaps not as gung ho as it appears. But its all good....never dull:thumbup1:

Yep. And keeping a square log for milling.

Jared from the Faller v Hacker vid slams a cedar log. The footage also highlights the violence of a big log landing....and why you want to be well out of the way.

It is a great production Ben, I agree, buts its all a bit too limp wristed for me. yesterday we had two chippers and a winch break down on the same job. A bunch of sweaty tobacco chewing loggers stood around scratching their heads, trying to figure out the best way forward. We didn't get out of there till 6:30. A little more true to life I think. The guy at the end of the vid, looking up at who knows what. lol

We topped out a couple of big Western Red Cedars today beside a house. There's a septic field underneath one and a gas pipe running underneath the other. So the thinking is to fall them big, so the impact is spread throughout the whole 50 or 60 ft (however high they are) drop zone....as opposed to punching down shorter logs at the risk of a high concentrated impact. I'm sorta tempted to give Jared a shot to even up the score if its safe to do so. We can definitely slam one in between a couple of firs, but there's another big fir to come out tomorrow which might get in the way of the 2nd cedar, whether its left up or down. I should probably video them anyway because they're quite big sticks. Thanks again.

I was just trying to cut above the rot, but I couldn't reach high enough. Thanks

My pleasure Ben. I didn't know for sure how it would go down, some people get all pi ssy about stuff like that, so you never know. If you cant laugh at yourself once in a while, then you're a nob, basically!

I thought someone must have been chasing you actually, Ben. Sure you were far enough away there ? did you have a machine on the pull line?

You can get them in the UK from Treeworker

Yes it is mate, must be around 8 years now

lol, yeah whatever....yet you still took the time to write something about it. That was actually taken at 5:30 after we were already finished.

Jared’s a Senior Faller for BC Forest Service, but during the off-season he works with a tree-service company that I also do some climbing for. He’s a solid guy, good skills and knows his stuff. Having said that....he’s 6 ft 5, opinionated, loud-mouth, answer for everything, know-it -all ! We do have the craic on jobs nonetheless....but I really, really didn’t want to lose to this guy. This was a one off....no best out of three, no rematch clause. Winner Take all. Walking out and looking into the face-cut from afar is not permitted....you have to stay at the stump. So who’s your money on, the faller or the climber ? Be advised, some bad language. Use HD setting

Alright Ben haven't you posted this stuff before, or am I confused? pic 13. Is that for real or what? Tell me it aint so!

Always get good views and sense of distance in BC. And on the Sannich peninsular where most of my work is, you have ocean on 3 sides. The last 2 shots are at Cowichan Lake. Kim is the climber in view. He's 53, has a big ole gut on him, and he's at about 140ft there. Real bloke!

My question is legit. I'm not in desperate need of an answer of course, but, you know, it'd be nice!

In the vid, your first cut is with a stihl, the next clip shows an echo, thats what I meant ? A three day job is a good one to land, good for you!

You swapped your topping saw from Stihl to echo, why? Heavy wood I'll bet. How long did the whole job take? Thanks

Push-back is what you see in the vid: as the top starts to tip over it will push a pole back at first and then somewhat get pushed forward itself as the pole rebounds. You dont get pushback on something short or sturdy because with no flex it cant be pushed back. Rather it just pulls on the stem a little as the hinge breaks. Severing a hinge at the critical on a rigid tree will diminish the 'pulling' effect. I'd like to believe thats what your trainer was really meaning and you just misunderstood.

We yacked for several pages about the Humboldt cut in this thread James, a little while back. http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/picture-forum/35344-fir-zip-line.html Scott (faller) has a Stanfield on in the photos....so new to the west coast, I didn’t feel quite worthy to have one at that early stage. Its mainly the push-back that creates the ride. Watch the first shot in this vid: Use HD setting on youtube. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZZB_FTDnwg&list=UUpYc97NCVnOjJtrDQlQjtbA&index=7]Treework, Spring, 2012, Victoria BC - YouTube[/ame] Really surprised that a training company is encouraging people to cut through a hinge for what is essentially entree level climbing (CS). Not to suggest you're an entree level climber, Dowie. Small tops (6in) in an open space is fine, but with big stuff you could get seriously hurt, or worse. As Pete said, miss timed, a gust of wind or worst of all your Top gets caught in another tree and is left just sitting on your stump, severed. So you’re saying I at least had it once Tim, well thats something I suppose!

Fair questions really. Good on ya. Im sure people used to ask and probe more on the forums in general. If you don't understand something, ask....there's no shame in that. The full wrap is more ergonomic, no doubt, better options. Only real shortcoming is that it obviously cant cut as close to the ground. I avoid the long gaffs most of the time. Pulling them out takes a lot more effort, which adds up on bigger or multiple trees. I'd rather scramble and skid up up the first 30 ft on the pole gaffs and then get the benefit higher up when I hit thinner bark. The humboldt is a fast and easy cut to make. Not the best for everything, but seems to be the better for throwing a top or tree further from the stump.