Stacked vs Loose - sorry! With a twist...

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

I sell (supposed to be giving up lol) "domestic" logs which are HETAS grade sizes i.e. 7-9" long blah blah blah as follows:

 

S/wood £70 loose m3

Mixed £75

H/wood £80.

 

I also do a lot of solid fuel biomass i.e big logs for BSL appliances and these logs are considerably bigger at 19" long and upto 9" diameter (split). I don't deliver them so save in that respect. Just process and stack as per pics.

 

The pic shows exactly 10m3 filled with stacked DF. I've been selling this at the same price as above i.e that lot would be £700 plus vat but am I short changing myself? There's deffo more than loose logs I reckon because that lot was an 8m3 forwarder load so x 1.5???

 

Someone at BSL (or was it on here?!) said they have to be a stacked cubic metre because the larger logs create bigger air gaps than the domestic ones so the stacking compensates for this.

 

Or am I seriously way off here?

 

Thanks in advance.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

anyone?

[gdh]

There's less wood as you do bigger pieces, although not by a huge amount, I agree with that. Not sure about stacking. You could cut a cube into an ibc or similar, empty it out then stack it back in to get an accurate measurement.

 

If you think there's 12 cube there you wouldn't be losing out by much since it's so much faster to process and most commercial buyers will expect a discount on bulk.

[Woodworks]

Don't know how the size of the logs affects the equation plus stack alternating must reduce the amount of logs but did a stacked V loose in this thread http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/firewood-forum/64099-stacked-v-loose-logs-conversion-rate.html

[arboriculturist]

We all know that processing larger logs is beneficial in more ways than one, that said I would possible supply 1.1m3 for the 1m3 price.

 

The end user rarely has any realistic idea anyway, unless they are in a timber related profession.

 

By the way Jon, you can't afford to be hand stacking if you want to continue living the life you have become accustomed to

[County 764]

Is the customer collecting from your yard or are you taking machinery to them and processing on site?

 

You'd be lucky to get £70 for hardwood up this way. I think for softwood your on good money and biomass is so much quicker to process than the usual small logs for domestic stoves.

 

Looks very well stacked so could be up to 20% more volume in it than that of loosely processed into a tipper van?

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

By the way Jon, you can't afford to be hand stacking if you want to continue living the life you have become accustomed to

 

Meaning?!

[slack ma girdle]

That is some very neat stacking, so small air spaces and you can squeeze in more logs.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

Is the customer collecting from your yard or are you taking machinery to them and processing on site?

 

You'd be lucky to get £70 for hardwood up this way. I think for softwood your on good money and biomass is so much quicker to process than the usual small logs for domestic stoves.

 

Looks very well stacked so could be up to 20% more volume in it than that of loosely processed into a tipper van?

 

And yet processor beech is £65/tonne roadside down here at the minute.

[arboriculturist]

Meaning?!

 

Uh - Just Joking.