Petition to get Nigel Farage onto the EU Referendum Debate

[matelot]

matelot, mate, and all kudos to the MICE btw=Member of the Institute of Civil Engineers?,

 

Thanks, in all honesty it was the most stressful thing I've ever done. My employer was absolutely cr4p at giving me support to get in.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I really have to disagree with your opinion. Farage is very dangerous. The ideas he espouses are clearly racist.

 

I don't believe you have the slightest grasp of politics at all.

 

You talk about saving the NHS. The NHS is a socialist idea. It was brought in by a left-winger called Nye Bevan. The right wing opposes this kind of thing because they oppose socialism of any kind. This is why we have seen creeping privatisation and a doctors strike under a right wing government.

 

Farage is even more right wing than the tories are. All the MPs that have joined UKIP from the tory party are all the most right wing and the most opposed to socialist ideas. To think they would protect the NHS is nuts.

 

He talks about saving the NHS because he knows it appeals to the poor and less educated who are the people who far right political parties always target because they lack the ability and education to see through their far mongering and racist nonsense.

 

He only appears to run rings around people if you lack the ability to understand that he is actually talking nonsense and appealing to less able people.

 

I think you've lost the plot here fella and have potentially become blinded by your own core political allegiances to the real "danger" to the long term sustainability of the NHS which is really from the fundamental "Left" who unashamedly capitalise (ha, ha!) on the national phobia of anything that proposes change - or to put it another way, evolution, of the NHS.

 

Before you spit out your coffee, please look to the perilous state of the NHS in Wales under Labour management.

 

Firstly, I need to say that I support the NHS as much as the next man just to establish a baseline and avoid the claim that only socialists can possibly be in favour of the NHS.

 

You seem to be proposing a simple polarised argument which suggests Labour = sustainable and effective NHS / Conservative (or UKIP) = destruction of the NHS.

 

I would argue that exactly the opposite is true.

 

Assured destruction will be the result of hysterical, irrational and fundamental opposition to evolution. It defies logic with an ageing population, greater life expectancy, increased demand and advances in medical science - not to forget but intentionally avoiding population growth as a threat.

 

The solution is not to simply pump more money in - it doesn't work and is unsustainable.

 

I experienced an impressive and efficient example of NHS privatisation recently. Rather than costing (the tax payer) a bundle, it cost me a reasonable price, left me feeling well served and having achieved value for my money for the service I received.

 

I went to Specsavers, I had a timed appointment for an eye test which started at the designated time and took about 30 minutes, the admin girl did her work and preliminaries, then the optician did their bit. I chose from a dazzling array of frames and 5 days later got a call to go and collect the glasses. All in, done in less than an hour over 2 visits.

 

Quick, efficient, professional, cost effective (to me) and with enough margin for the shareholders of Specsavers to make a profit. What's not to like?

 

I can't really be bothered to describe how the glacial inertia of a colossal public sector organisation would manage to deliver a fraction of the satisfaction at an eye watering multiplication of the cost, but I hope you might see the point....

 

To suggest that some privatisation of appropriate services should be opposed on the basis of political allegiance is a folly that will lead to the demise of an institution that actually belongs to all, regardless of core politics.

[difflock]

Oh ere Mrs! dats proper fighting talk, that is!

Re wor beloved, but quite absurbly dysfunctional, NHS.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Oh ere Mrs! dats proper fighting talk, that is!

Re wor beloved, but quite absurbly dysfunctional, NHS.

 

:lol:

 

Never let common sense get in the way of political in-fighting!

 

And an absurdly multi-cultural juxtaposition of Caribbean street slang, Geordie twang and Etonian plum!

Edited May 4, 2016 by kevinjohnsonmbe
afterthought!

[flatyre]

few pages back in the thread there was a lot of talk about immigration, I've just been sent for "diversity training" at the public estate I do casual work for, anyone who's been on diversity training will know its relevance to this topic. Anyway having seen the fact and figures there are actually a very small percentage of "foreigners" in the country and make up a tiny percentage of those claiming benefits. Its easy to adopt the attitude that one section of our society is to blame for everything and without them life would be rosey. Truth is the country is in dire shape for many reasons, if it makes it easier for you to blame one single aspect then blame the government for poor management, over subsidising some industries, refusing to help other industries, giving too many benefits to those who don't deserve them, then not having the money to give decent benefits to those who do deserve them, failing to protect skilled wages, following all Brussels laws while other EU countries pick and choose what they follow, the list goes on. Our current government is spineless, no guts to make the tough decisions or fight the right fight, Farage may be a prick but he's a strong willed and determined prick who sticks to his principles. For better or worse sometimes a country needs a strong hand to slap it back into shape.

[peatff]

Anyway having seen the fact and figures there are actually a very small percentage of "foreigners" in the country and make up a tiny percentage of those claiming benefits. Its easy to adopt the attitude that one section of our society is to blame for everything and without them life would be rosey.

 

I've never had a problem with immigrants but if you read about the problems in Sheffield with Romany families and more local to me the Polish workers in Shirebrook which I have seen happening then you could probably see why some are not quite so understanding.

[wrsni]

I think you've lost the plot here fella and have potentially become blinded by your own core political allegiances to the real "danger" to the long term sustainability of the NHS which is really from the fundamental "Left" who unashamedly capitalise (ha, ha!) on the national phobia of anything that proposes change - or to put it another way, evolution, of the NHS.

 

Before you spit out your coffee, please look to the perilous state of the NHS in Wales under Labour management.

 

Firstly, I need to say that I support the NHS as much as the next man just to establish a baseline and avoid the claim that only socialists can possibly be in favour of the NHS.

 

You seem to be proposing a simple polarised argument which suggests Labour = sustainable and effective NHS / Conservative (or UKIP) = destruction of the NHS.

 

I would argue that exactly the opposite is true.

 

Assured destruction will be the result of hysterical, irrational and fundamental opposition to evolution. It defies logic with an ageing population, greater life expectancy, increased demand and advances in medical science - not to forget but intentionally avoiding population growth as a threat.

 

The solution is not to simply pump more money in - it doesn't work and is unsustainable.

 

I experienced an impressive and efficient example of NHS privatisation recently. Rather than costing (the tax payer) a bundle, it cost me a reasonable price, left me feeling well served and having achieved value for my money for the service I received.

 

I went to Specsavers, I had a timed appointment for an eye test which started at the designated time and took about 30 minutes, the admin girl did her work and preliminaries, then the optician did their bit. I chose from a dazzling array of frames and 5 days later got a call to go and collect the glasses. All in, done in less than an hour over 2 visits.

 

Quick, efficient, professional, cost effective (to me) and with enough margin for the shareholders of Specsavers to make a profit. What's not to like?

 

I can't really be bothered to describe how the glacial inertia of a colossal public sector organisation would manage to deliver a fraction of the satisfaction at an eye watering multiplication of the cost, but I hope you might see the point....

 

To suggest that some privatisation of appropriate services should be opposed on the basis of political allegiance is a folly that will lead to the demise of an institution that actually belongs to all, regardless of core politics.

 

That sir, is a terrific post.

 

Probably totally over the heads of most who read it but still a terrific post.

 

Well done.

[eggsarascal]

I think you've lost the plot here fella and have potentially become blinded by your own core political allegiances to the real "danger" to the long term sustainability of the NHS which is really from the fundamental "Left" who unashamedly capitalise (ha, ha!) on the national phobia of anything that proposes change - or to put it another way, evolution, of the NHS.

 

Before you spit out your coffee, please look to the perilous state of the NHS in Wales under Labour management.

 

Firstly, I need to say that I support the NHS as much as the next man just to establish a baseline and avoid the claim that only socialists can possibly be in favour of the NHS.

 

You seem to be proposing a simple polarised argument which suggests Labour = sustainable and effective NHS / Conservative (or UKIP) = destruction of the NHS.

 

I would argue that exactly the opposite is true.

 

Assured destruction will be the result of hysterical, irrational and fundamental opposition to evolution. It defies logic with an ageing population, greater life expectancy, increased demand and advances in medical science - not to forget but intentionally avoiding population growth as a threat.

 

The solution is not to simply pump more money in - it doesn't work and is unsustainable.

 

I experienced an impressive and efficient example of NHS privatisation recently. Rather than costing (the tax payer) a bundle, it cost me a reasonable price, left me feeling well served and having achieved value for my money for the service I received.

 

I went to Specsavers, I had a timed appointment for an eye test which started at the designated time and took about 30 minutes, the admin girl did her work and preliminaries, then the optician did their bit. I chose from a dazzling array of frames and 5 days later got a call to go and collect the glasses. All in, done in less than an hour over 2 visits.

 

Quick, efficient, professional, cost effective (to me) and with enough margin for the shareholders of Specsavers to make a profit. What's not to like?

 

I can't really be bothered to describe how the glacial inertia of a colossal public sector organisation would manage to deliver a fraction of the satisfaction at an eye watering multiplication of the cost, but I hope you might see the point....

 

To suggest that some privatisation of appropriate services should be opposed on the basis of political allegiance is a folly that will lead to the demise of an institution that actually belongs to all, regardless of core politics.

 

Your (to me) says it all.

[eggsarascal]

That sir, is a terrific post.

 

Probably totally over the heads of most who read it but still a terrific post.

 

Well done.

 

Totally over the heads!

 

Do me a favour.

 

Where do you think we come from?

[DeltaBravo]

That is because he is an idiot.

 

Completely agree.