Fisa

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

Only on FC sites...

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

welcome to the corrupt world of FISA, and its "jobs for the boys" system and attitude

 

Nail on the head there!

 

As said above: corrupt organisation run by the big forestry firms.

 

Agreed.

 

Plenty of two fingered salutes to them from the FCA too

[Spruce Pirate]

I'm a member too - but only because it lets me say that I'm a member of a safety organisation, even the stickers aren't that good.

 

FISA is a shambles, and the situation in the OP only serves to prove it. If refresher is to NPTC standard it shouldn't matter whether the assessor is FISA approved or not, this is just another cost and protectionism for the boys in the FISA club. The demarcation between harvesting and "other" sites is also a farce, you can be felling trees of the same size and type on one contract, but you don't need an "approved" refresher because it isn't harvesting??? It's ridiculous, arb work can be even more dangerous, and doesn't need an "approved" refresher, even if it is being carried out for a large forestry company.

 

We should also get away from this "refresher" business. It is not a refresher, it is an assessment - you can either fail it and need re-certified, or be deemed competent for three or five years. That is an assessment, not a refresher.

 

 

 

Out of curiousity, who has made the decision that NPTC refresher isn't good enough, only "approved" NPTC refreshers will do? Is it the contractor, management company, timber buyer, client?

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

I'm booked onto a fisa felling refresher course next month to allow me to work with some of the big national forestry companies. Makes me laugh though as all we do is the tree surgery side of things yet we have to do a felling refresher not a climbing based one which I thought would have made more sense!

 

Hi im replying on a tablet device which i dont really know how to use. In my opinion this requirement is outside of the scope of FiISA refresher training...albeit ig might be useful anyay.

 

see fisa website - training - frequently asked questions, then scroll down to "I'm an arborist..." question which is relevant. But your general aerial ttreework qualification or training etc still has to be within 5 yeears.

 

good luck..

paul

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Hi im replying on a tablet device which i dont really know how to use. In my opinion this requirement is outside of the scope of FiISA refresher training...albeit ig might be useful anyay.

 

see fisa website - training - frequently asked questions, then scroll down to "I'm an arborist..." question which is relevant. But your general aerial ttreework qualification or training etc still has to be within 5 yeears.

 

good luck..

paul

 

APOLOGIES here, see below (an extract from the FISA website):

 

Q - I’m an arborist, do I need to undertake a FISA refresher, to work on a FISA member’s site?

A - Utility arborist qualifications require a 3 yearly recertification to evidence continued competency, and as they are not harvesting timber, and the majority of the utility work is aerial operations rather than free felling, they fall outside the FISA refresher training requirement. Operators maintaining their utility qualifications / recertification is sufficient evidence of an operators refresher and competence. Therefore they do not require a FISA refresher course to operate on a FISA members site.

If a utility qualified operator is employed to “specifically harvest timber” under a harvesting contract and not a utility contract, then attendance of a FISA refresher is required.

 

Hence if you are a 'general' arborist the HSE requirement is refresher training (NOT FISA refreshers) every 5 years beit Lantra / C&G / NPTC / independent (but auditable.) TO be honest I'd stick with Lanta or NPTC as both are well recognised.

 

Cheers..

Paul

[agrimog]

"Q - I’m an arborist, do I need to undertake a FISA refresher, to work on a FISA member’s site?

A - Utility arborist qualifications require a 3 yearly recertification to evidence continued competency, and as they are not harvesting timber, and the majority of the utility work is aerial operations rather than free felling, they fall outside the FISA refresher training requirement. Operators maintaining their utility qualifications / recertification is sufficient evidence of an operators refresher and competence. Therefore they do not require a FISA refresher course to operate on a FISA members site.

If a utility qualified operator is employed to “specifically harvest timber” under a harvesting contract and not a utility contract, then attendance of a FISA refresher is required."

FISA twisting the rules to justify there existance and stop the companies outside the clique playing........how can a certificate issued by the ONLY autherised body (city and guilds) not be acceptable, they have already been warned about there actions.....total corruption in the forestry industry

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

FISA twisting the rules to justify there existance and stop the companies outside the clique playing........how can a certificate issued by the ONLY autherised body (city and guilds) not be acceptable, they have already been warned about there actions.....total corruption in the forestry industry

 

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[Tree Man Tom]

I'm booked onto a fisa felling refresher course next month to allow me to work with some of the big national forestry companies. Makes me laugh though as all we do is the tree surgery side of things yet we have to do a felling refresher not a climbing based one which I thought would have made more sense!

 

Spent today doing Fisa felling refresher. Quite enjoyable actually, was picked up on a few habits and got to chat to others about the forestry industry. Something I find interesting as 90% of my work is tree surgery work.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

I’m an arborist, do I need to undertake a FISA refresher, to work on a FISA member’s site? Utility arborist qualifications require a 3 yearly recertification to evidence continued competency, and as they are not harvesting timber, and the majority of the utility work is aerial operations rather than free felling, they fall outside the FISA refresher training requirement. Operators maintaining their utility qualifications / recertification is sufficient evidence of an operators refresher and competence. Therefore they do not require a FISA refresher course to operate on a FISA members site. If a utility qualified operator is employed to “specifically harvest timber” under a harvesting contract and not a utility contract, then attendance of a FISA refresher is required.

 

The above is an extract from the FISA website at UK FISA - The Forest Industry Safety Accord (discussions with FISA have confirmed this would apply equally to all tree surgery operations.)

 

Hope this helps.

 

Paul

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Sorry missed he posts above