RC 2000 catching logs

[RC0]

Short vid from this week:

 

use Hd setting. Thanks

 

[scotspine1]

I thought the whole purpose of the top tie off (sling) with that LD was to eliminate the drop you get with a buck porty as the rope sinks just before the timber hits the rigging? like that LD was suppose to sit almost static like a bollard?

[Johny Walker]

you dont get that flopping about with a bolard ,there crap imo, waste of money , block wins every time imo.

[scotspine1]

you dont get that flopping about with a bolard ,there crap imo, waste of money , block wins every time imo.

 

if you're letting the timber run the flopping is of so little significance it's almost negligible as a consideration so long as you get most of the slack out prior to rigging.

 

When blocking or negative rigging/snatching.....either with a bollard of floating device like a Buckingham Port a Wrap you always get slack being created in the rigging line as the piece topples off the top. Unless that is if you crank up a Hobbs, GRCS or Reg's twin bollard and that new thing he's created to pre-tension the line piano wire tight. But then it's not essential if you're letting the timber run. Pre-tensioning would become more of an issue if you had to snatch a section to a immediate stop over a roof etc.

 

watch in this vid at 2.33 look for the line slackening then grabbing the bollard -

 

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Edited April 10, 2015 by scotspine1

[RC0]

The distance from where the rigging block is tied and where the cut is made plays a part in how that slack gets induced into the line as the log tips over....but mainly it's the depth of the face cut that sort of create a shortcut for the log to fall and separate from the stump. The deeper the face, the more slack is created.

 

Tim the bottom of the trunk where the LD was set had quite the flair, although not clear on the vid. If i'd cinched the top strap super tight the LD wouldve been set pointing up at 45 degrees or more. So when that dip occurred in the line it's just possible that the line could've slipped off the back of the LD and we'd have lost a wrap. I've never actually seen it happen, but in theory it's possible. Dave, the guy on the rope could've avoided this by pulling the slack out if the line each time the logs tipped....but I'd never had him catch big logs in such a way and wanted first to see how coordinated he was at just letting the log run a little. So i purposely slacked the top strap so the LD would dip as the line went slack. As it was he did good. Next time I'll get him to pull the slack as the log tips and see how he fairs.

 

Jonny to say they're crap and a waste of money is a little unfair. That 2000 costs £120 and would probably be good for a 20 ton pull, thearetically speaking. For some people, a device like that is all they'll ever need. You could buy that and probably 3 new saws for the price of a grcs....so which choice is the most wasteful of money is a matter of perspective. The positives of the hanging style device is that they are cheaper, reactive (the align themselves with the ground worker as he/she walks around with the line), more mobile, compact....and not least of all robust....you might have noticed at the end of the video it getting slammed by a 600lb falling log. You can't take those liberties with a grcs or similar. So, clearly there's a time and a place for everything....and I'm very grateful that thousands of tree workers were in agreement and made a purchase with us. Thanks

[Mortimer Firewood]

We have the rc 2000 great bit of kit the boys take it over the porta wrap every time great bit of kit IMO.

[scotspine1]

The distance from where the rigging block is tied and where the cut is made plays a part in how that slack gets induced into the line as the log tips over....but mainly it's the depth of the face cut that sort of create a shortcut for the log to fall and separate from the stump. The deeper the face, the more slack is created.

 

Tim the bottom of the trunk where the LD was set had quite the flair, although not clear on the vid. If i'd cinched the top strap super tight the LD wouldve been set pointing up at 45 degrees or more. So when that dip occurred in the line it's just possible that the line could've slipped off the back of the LD and we'd have lost a wrap. I've never actually seen it happen, but in theory it's possible. Dave, the guy on the rope could've avoided this by pulling the slack out if the line each time the logs tipped....but I'd never had him catch big logs in such a way and wanted first to see how coordinated he was at just letting the log run a little. So i purposely slacked the top strap so the LD would dip as the line went slack. As it was he did good. Next time I'll get him to pull the slack as the log tips and see how he fairs.

 

Jonny to say they're crap and a waste of money is a little unfair. That 2000 costs £120 and would probably be good for a 20 ton pull, thearetically speaking. For some people, a device like that is all they'll ever need. You could buy that and probably 3 new saws for the price of a grcs....so which choice is the most wasteful of money is a matter of perspective. The positives of the hanging style device is that they are cheaper, reactive (the align themselves with the ground worker as he/she walks around with the line), more mobile, compact....and not least of all robust....you might have noticed at the end of the video it getting slammed by a 600lb falling log. You can't take those liberties with a grcs or similar. So, clearly there's a time and a place for everything....and I'm very grateful that thousands of tree workers were in agreement and made a purchase with us. Thanks

 

cheers for that explanation of the set up in the vid Reg. Makes sense now, liked the vid... good demo of the LD in action.

 

Jonny, Buckingham Portawraps are all we use (and probably ever will) and we regularly dismantle big trees with them. Never had a single issue relating to safety or efficiency with them. Recently started using X rings with the Buckingham portawrap and have found the combination pretty good.

[Johny Walker]

The distance from where the rigging block is tied and where the cut is made plays a part in how that slack gets induced into the line as the log tips over....but mainly it's the depth of the face cut that sort of create a shortcut for the log to fall and separate from the stump. The deeper the face, the more slack is created.

 

Tim the bottom of the trunk where the LD was set had quite the flair, although not clear on the vid. If i'd cinched the top strap super tight the LD wouldve been set pointing up at 45 degrees or more. So when that dip occurred in the line it's just possible that the line could've slipped off the back of the LD and we'd have lost a wrap. I've never actually seen it happen, but in theory it's possible. Dave, the guy on the rope could've avoided this by pulling the slack out if the line each time the logs tipped....but I'd never had him catch big logs in such a way and wanted first to see how coordinated he was at just letting the log run a little. So i purposely slacked the top strap so the LD would dip as the line went slack. As it was he did good. Next time I'll get him to pull the slack as the log tips and see how he fairs.

 

Jonny to say they're crap and a waste of money is a little unfair. That 2000 costs £120 and would probably be good for a 20 ton pull, thearetically speaking. For some people, a device like that is all they'll ever need. You could buy that and probably 3 new saws for the price of a grcs....so which choice is the most wasteful of money is a matter of perspective. The positives of the hanging style device is that they are cheaper, reactive (the align themselves with the ground worker as he/she walks around with the line), more mobile, compact....and not least of all robust....you might have noticed at the end of the video it getting slammed by a 600lb falling log. You can't take those liberties with a grcs or similar. So, clearly there's a time and a place for everything....and I'm very grateful that thousands of tree workers were in agreement and made a purchase with us. Thanks

 

i have the rc3001, had it since you launched them ,i think its great others will disagree. i feel theres more control with a fixed block than a floppy joby imo,i couldnt justyfy a grcs or what evr it is ,

[Johny Walker]

cheers for that explanation of the set up in the vid Reg. Makes sense now, liked the vid... good demo of the LD in action.

 

Jonny, Buckingham Portawraps are all we use (and probably ever will) and we regularly dismantle big trees with them. Never had a single issue relating to safety or efficiency with them. Recently started using X rings with the Buckingham portawrap and have found the combination pretty good.

 

tim

i just dont like them end off, iv got enough pullys to realine the rope & keep the block out of harms way,each to there own ,we all like differant things ,

[RC0]

i have the rc3001, had it since you launched them ,i think its great others will disagree. i feel theres more control with a fixed block than a floppy joby imo,i couldnt justyfy a grcs or what evr it is ,

 

I don't disagree with you. A fixed bollard with a big radius is much nicer to use. All I'm saying is that 2000 device cinched up at the top is pretty dam good also and excellent value For what it costs.