Srt Rescues

[atree]

Talking to another climber this week got me thinking how do you do an aerial rescue if someone is climbing single line (what ever system)

 

I wasn't to sure tbh..

 

How do you do a pick off/lift rescue or create an MA if someone is climbing single line,Stuck in a fork or out on a redirect?

 

Say the rescuer is climbing Double rope or doesn't understand SRT?

 

Seems like know one asks about this yet everyone is on the SRT bandwagon..

[Ian Clarke]

If they have a system where it is tied off at the base of the tree or another tree you could install a ground based recovery system. Then if they do not have a 2nd line attached they can be lowered straight to the ground.

 

If they are attached by a 2nd line then the rescuer has to remove it however they see fit and again can be lowered to the ground.

 

That is what comes to my mind anyone please feel free to comment and question and or correct if needed.

 

The biggest problem would be if they cut their main line and were attached with a 2nd anchor away from the trunk of the tree

[atree]

I understand if using basal anchor.But like me i never bother either running bowline at the TIP or using alpine butterfly/biner,pinto

[detritus21]

Same wah you would rescue if the injured top is damaged. Climb up drt anchor in. Out to climber attach to your system cut set rope and come down together. That would be my approach anyhow.

[Ian Clarke]

then the rescuer would have to get to your tie in point or another one of suitable strength and size then descend to you and attach you to their line. it wouldnt be easy but thats the only way i can think of it.

[Old Mill Tree Care]

I would do it exactly the same way as if the injured climber was using a DdRT system.

He's still only on one rope with a hitch system.

The only difference is that the rope isn't doubled over.

[Jake Andrews]

Yeh, MA should be the same as double rope I think.

[Loler UK]

this is a great thread and allot of work (more publication and training than innovation) needs to be done on the subject.

 

at mike tuckers treekend we takled the issues of rescue using picking, hauling & counterbalance techniques on both srt and Ddrt getting climbers up the trees under supervision with all the gear and have a go for real all the climbers soon came to the same conclusions:

 

1 they dont practice rescue enough

2 they have all seen hauling & counterbalance demos and gone "yea sure that's easy enough i could rig that and carry out a rescue like that if required without the need to practice" the reality struck that this was far from the case and that was without a casualty bleeding out/ unconscious & beginning to experience suspension trauma compatibility and performance issues soon presented them self and in the heat of a speedy rescue this would not be great

3 rescuing casualty on an srt system required little/ no extra knowledge/ training just a practice unsupervised low & slow then one at realistic height & extremity would suffice

4 rescuing a casualty with the rescuer on an srt system in certain scenarios can prove tricky, dangerous and painful, further training and experimentation soon teaches the difficulties, differences and limitations of rescuing from an srt system in arb. We are not trained to carry out this operation and all would sooner switch to ddrt to carry out the rescue but may well access the tree srt and even descend towards the casualty then install a mid line anchor and proceed ddrt for the remainder of the rescue

5 we should generally put allot more thought, provision and preparation into our rescue planning most of all equipment selection and availability, some cord/ knot combos lend them self well to gripping any rope, certain lengths of cord/ rope/ sling/ lanyard are optimal, keeping certain items as stand alone rescue components 'ready to go' in a bag (maybe security sealed bag) is preferable

6 practice using the exact equipment we keep/ would reach for/ is available

7 practice

8 practice

9 if much head scratching is done when practising the 'trickier' rescue scenarios, seek further training

10 practice the newly learnt techniques

 

climb safe

[atree]

this is a great thread and allot of work (more publication and training than innovation) needs to be done on the subject.

 

at mike tuckers treekend we takled the issues of rescue using picking, hauling & counterbalance techniques on both srt and Ddrt getting climbers up the trees under supervision with all the gear and have a go for real all the climbers soon came to the same conclusions:

 

1 they dont practice rescue enough

2 they have all seen hauling & counterbalance demos and gone "yea sure that's easy enough i could rig that and carry out a rescue like that if required without the need to practice" the reality struck that this was far from the case and that was without a casualty bleeding out/ unconscious & beginning to experience suspension trauma compatibility and performance issues soon presented them self and in the heat of a speedy rescue this would not be great

3 rescuing casualty on an srt system required little/ no extra knowledge/ training just a practice unsupervised low & slow then one at realistic height & extremity would suffice

4 rescuing a casualty with the rescuer on an srt system in certain scenarios can prove tricky, dangerous and painful, further training and experimentation soon teaches the difficulties, differences and limitations of rescuing from an srt system in arb. We are not trained to carry out this operation and all would sooner switch to ddrt to carry out the rescue but may well access the tree srt and even descend towards the casualty then install a mid line anchor and proceed ddrt for the remainder of the rescue

5 we should generally put allot more thought, provision and preparation into our rescue planning most of all equipment selection and availability, some cord/ knot combos lend them self well to gripping any rope, certain lengths of cord/ rope/ sling/ lanyard are optimal, keeping certain items as stand alone rescue components 'ready to go' in a bag (maybe security sealed bag) is preferable

6 practice using the exact equipment we keep/ would reach for/ is available

7 practice

8 practice

9 if much head scratching is done when practising the 'trickier' rescue scenarios, seek further training

10 practice the newly learnt techniques

 

climb safe

 

Good Post Loler.

[BenR]

If their anchor point can take it and the rope is not damaged you can rescue up the climbers tail whether they are srt or ddrt. We demonstrate this at the introduction to srt workshop at treekit. Otherwise the rescue could/should be the same as any normal rescue regardless of the climbing system. In the worst case pickoff scenario with the climber on a stationary rope, it's fairly easy to install a prussic/ascender above their system and run their tail through it creating mechanical advantage. This is why in an ideal world a rescue/access line is left in the tree. Or even better have two climbers in the tree on large pruning jobs. For removals a set of spikes for the would be rescuer would be beneficial. Or assuming a lowering line is free and not tied off to a branch that could also be used to your advantage. As LolerUK says.... PRACTICE!!!!!!!