Safety - say it like it is...

[Mat]

Most of these larger out fits expect you to produce reams of job specific Rams at no cost to them. They have to legislate to the thickest man on site.

 

Not so sure...

 

It is possible that the people in charge of the site are just not unknowable in all aspects the task they oversee.

 

(Back to the old favorite 'competence' again).

 

I am not sure what 'legislate to the thickest man on site' means, but I'm afraid that your RAMS will make no difference to the thickest man on site, or any man probably, because I doubt anyone will ever see them, let alone read them. They will most probably simply be stuck in a file somewhere.

 

Why do people ask for them? Because some businesses find it easier to tell an un-knowledgeable manager to simply ask for everything they can think of, than would be to get a specialist in to work out exactly what the information is that they actually need.

Edited January 29, 2015 by Mat

[Safety Steve]

You get my vote, where do i sign up

 

Wah Hey! that's Offers Dyke breached - now on over Hadrians to Scotchberg and then forth to cross into Irishdom

 

Consider one 'gator' now a pair of very posh 'Croc's'... mmmm :001_cool:comfy....

[difflock]

So is it "safer" to work strimming a bank "downstream" of a parked van with load n loads of flashing beacons, as I have been told.

Or my contention is, it is way safer to allow the drivers, approaching on the same side as the workers, to clearly observe the workers, protected by a row of cones, rather than swerving round the parked vehicle, possibly/probably in the face of oncoming traffic, unaware and unknowing that a worker may be working in the lee of the vehicle?

In the 30mph limit just across from a horrondously busy filling station.

Safety dictates the grass should remain uncut, UNLESS, traffic control is put in place, to strim 20 or 30m of bank.

Which would cause constranation and amusement in the local community.

But strictly under the 15 min exemption, NO such precautions are needed.

Except setting out the signs n cones will expand the task to more than 15 minutes:lol:

But if the erercise is repeated on a weekly basis?

Are they?

Hindsight is ALWAYS 20-20, espc in the eyes of senior staff.

Edited January 29, 2015 by difflock

[Mat]

 

 

This is NOT a tout for business (at the moment).

 

 

 

 

Wah Hey! that's Offers Dyke breached - now on over Hadrians to Scotchberg and then forth to cross into Irishdom

 

Consider one 'gator' now a pair of very posh 'Croc's'... mmmm :001_cool:comfy....

 

 

 

what a difference 9 hours makes.......

 

Smmmmmmmmmmmoooooothe

[gensetsteve]

Not so sure...

 

It is possible that the people in charge of the site are just not unknowable in all aspects the task they oversee.

 

(Back to the old favorite 'competence' again).

 

I am not sure what 'legislate to the thickest man on site' means, but I'm afraid that your RAMS will make no difference to the thickest man on site, or any man probably, because I doubt anyone will ever see them, let alone read them. They will most probably simply be stuck in a file somewhere.

 

Why do people ask for them? Because some businesses find it easier to tell an un-knowledgeable manager to simply ask for everything they can think of, than would be to get a specialist in to work out exactly what the information is that they actually need.

 

That makes sense some sites we go to have a very robust professional polite and easy to deal with attitude and you can work with. They are more interested in covering and anticipating relevant information.

The offices full of ex traffic wardens and door men tend to be fighting with every contractor that comes in and as you say looking for quantity rather than quality so they have something to pack out the filming cabinet.

[Mat]

The offices full of ex traffic wardens and door men tend to be fighting with every contractor that comes in and as you say looking for quantity rather than quality so they have something to pack out the filming cabinet.

 

Bad eggs in every industry.... Strive to avoid them - they are not health and safety pros in my book.

[aspenarb]

We were hauled into a days H&S meeting a few years ago. Reference was made to a Riddor report that had issues with the extremely high death and injury rate of forestry workers. Riddor basically works on the principle that all accidents, near misses and injuries within the industry should be written down. From what I can remember ( I slipped into a coma after about an hour ) they would expect to see at least 10,000 injuries , accidents and near misses reported before a reported death. Its this information that is used to rectify or adapt working practices to make the industry a safer place to work Because the companies within the industry had been failing to record and create the paper train it made it look like a highly dangerous occupation. Riddor are of the opinion that all accidents need to be analysed even down to things like a splinter, this should be recorded and alternative working methods used to eliminate this. The day ended with an open discussion and the one that sticks in my mind was the lads that were employed clearing the motorway banks with brush cutters. As you can imagine it all got a bit silly but the bottom line was it was suggested that someone stayed in the truck watching the others work while logging things like stones flying past earholes etc in an attempt to create the paperwork necessary to satisfy the H&S requirements of this company. One man stood up and suggested the work was too dangerous and questioned whether the company should even entertain this work.

 

One thing that did pop up was that they had identified those most likely to have an accident and its the over fifties, we apparently would benefit from further training because we had all become sloppy:lol:

 

Bob

[Hobbsurf]

QUOTE - I am a Charted Fellow of IOSH (the most recognised professional body)

 

Apologies in advance, I read the first few pages but then the eyes glazed over as always when self appointed H&S "professionals" come on the radar.

 

In a previous life there was NEBOSH. I saw the light and got out of the industry - don't get me wrong, on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being serious need for such proffered services & 1 no need whatsoever) there is a requirement in high risk / multi staffed workforces, however I'm very sceptical of bottom feeders who dwell on the need to have such a service in a small businesses.

 

Why is IOSH suddenly the mutts nuts?

 

Russ

[Mat]

We were hauled into a days H&S meeting a few years ago. Reference was made to a Riddor report that had issues with the extremely high death and injury rate of forestry workers.

 

 

I Always had you down as working for you own organization.

 

 

 

One thing that did pop up was that they had identified those most likely to have an accident and its the over fifties, we apparently would benefit from further training because we had all become sloppy:lol:

 

Bob

 

Strange, but true - although I think it not because us oldies are sloppy ... It more a case that we are used to accidents happening to other people (you know.... Youngsters).

[Mat]

 

In a previous life there was NEBOSH.

 

Why is IOSH suddenly the mutts nuts?

 

Russ

 

Put in arb terms

 

NEBOSH is a bit like NPTC (Awarding organisation)

 

IOSH is a bit like the 'institute of chartered foresters' (Professional organisation).

Edited January 29, 2015 by Mat