What about an industry standard?

[ben_inthewoods]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in Finland and other countries where there is a more standardised market volume relates to a solid cubic metre.

 

A stacked m3 as with kilned crates = 0.7 of a solid m3

 

A loose m3 = 0.3 of a solid m3

 

This convention is based on a log length and diameter ra

It is interesting to compare prices on this basis. To my calculations the price of much UK firewood is high when compared to imports and oil.

[farmer_ben]

you do need to put in size of bag though many people talk dumpy but some refer to 0.5 or 0.6 and 0.7

 

Yes I agree, my dumpie bags are 0.6cube and I state this. I find using bags is a good way for customers to visualise a specific size of load, as majority have no idea what, say, 1.2 cubic metres of logs looks like.

[Logsnstuff]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in Finland and other countries where there is a more standardised market volume relates to a solid cubic metre.

 

A stacked m3 as with kilned crates = 0.7 of a solid m3

 

A loose m3 = 0.3 of a solid m3

 

This convention is based on a log length and diameter ra

It is interesting to compare prices on this basis. To my calculations the price of much UK firewood is high when compared to imports and oil.

 

someone tried to say before that other countries dont use bulk bags its stacked crates and various other methods to measure, with 5 min googling i found all the scandinavian countries various mainland EU australia new zealand and canada were all moving onto FIBC bags to sell their logs.

[ben_inthewoods]

Surely with labour costs increasing in EU countries over time the loose m3 will be more popular unless stacked crates could be automated on a small producer scale. I agree that loose m3 is a good way to process where labour costs are high. Seasoning and or forced air drying may be more effective, but knowing the conversion factors and having them agreed would do no harm and would help consumers compare apples with apples.

[Mark Bolam]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in Finland and other countries where there is a more standardised market volume relates to a solid cubic metre.

 

A stacked m3 as with kilned crates = 0.7 of a solid m3

 

A loose m3 = 0.3 of a solid m3

 

This convention is based on a log length and diameter ra

It is interesting to compare prices on this basis. To my calculations the price of much UK firewood is high when compared to imports and oil.

 

There's no way a loose m3 is only 0.3m3 of solid timber.

 

 

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[gensetsteve]

There's no way a loose m3 is only 0.3m3 of solid timber.

 

 

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I found a decent 9 in stick of green beech weighing 1000kg would turn into 1.5 cubic metres of loose logs. If the truck was full of 3 in sticks you would get lots less and spend loads of time doing it. This is why its useful to get a weigh ticket so you dont pay for too much air.

[gensetsteve]

There's no way a loose m3 is only 0.3m3 of solid timber.

 

 

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I would say 0.3 of solid timber would fill a 0.5 cu metre bag. I think those bags would be ideal for walkers crisps.

[Tom D]

There's no way a loose m3 is only 0.3m3 of solid timber.

 

 

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I'd agree, IME a loose cube weighs around 300kg, given that thats at around 20% moisture that equates to (species dependent) around half a cube of solid timber at the same MC.

[ben_inthewoods]

Sorry here is the conversion that I was trying to recall:

 

Conversion Factors - Small Giant of Bio Energy

[ben_inthewoods]

Sorry here is the conversion that I was trying to recall:

 

Conversion Factors - Small Giant of Bio Energy

Not far off, but better to be precise; according to the Finns 1 loose m3 = 0.4m3 solid with the stacked volume being 0.6 of a solid m3, sounds more like other's estimates? And a calc for fair comparison?