Self Rescue

[RPA]

Being honest I have put mostly

 

That answer being based on how you define 'climb'

If refering to TD's etc (genuine climb) then it would be always. I will use a harness to reduce a hedge so I can use both hands but may only be 6' off the ground. My groundie would be capable of gettin me down with a set of steps (and I would only be using silky)

 

Therefore answer = mostly

[Dean Lofthouse]

From AFAG

- Identify the appropriate equipment, number of workers and

skills required. A minimum of two people must be present

during all tree-climbing operations. One of the ground team

must be available, competent and equipped to perform an

aerial rescue without delay

 

 

If your employing a ticketed groundie, who is not competent then you are not compliant. Period.

 

Plus if you run a ltd company, you are an employee, hence you have a duty of care to yourself. You could be prosecuted as company owner.

 

So does that mean that I am breaking the law as an owner/climber non ltd company doing my own climbing with a groundy ?

 

Am I breaking the law not having that duty of care towards myself ?

[Tom D]

Just to muddy the waters a little more, I am reliably informed that the latest guidelines say that the rescue climber must be on the ground and immediately available, ie not up the next tree. I have a real problem with this, having a rescuer on site is fine but making him wait at the bottom of the tree is a step too far. IMO so long as the trees are within shouting distance of each other and can be seen from each other then it should be ok to climb. I'm not having 2 good climbers on site and only using 1 of them.

[DrewB]

 

Some people will choose to follow this and others wont, but I don't believe any one has to work without a rescuer because of the cost. Its a choice. As the industry matures I hope we see less and less people climbing without competent rescuers. And every one will be able to take home good money for a good days work.

 

well said mate.

having the rescue climber to me is like insurance-you hope you dont ever need it but you have it to be safe just in case.

[Amelanchier]

I ain't just about you.

 

I love how easy it is for people to forget we live in a society with a tax funded welfare system.

 

You get hurt. We pay.

 

We pay for the ambulance and the paramedics. We pay for the A&E Nurses / Techs / Doctors / Surgeons. We pay for the rehab specialists. We pay for the legal representation. We pay benefits when you're off work.

 

Whatever your opinion of them, its the entire point of the HSE. For better or worse, the purpose of the red tape is save tax payers money by putting the expense back to the private sector.

[skyhuck]

I ain't just about you.

 

I love how easy it is for people to forget we live in a society with a tax funded welfare system.

 

You get hurt. We pay.

 

We pay for the ambulance and the paramedics. We pay for the A&E Nurses / Techs / Doctors / Surgeons. We pay for the rehab specialists. We pay for the legal representation. We pay benefits when you're off work.

 

Whatever your opinion of them, its the entire point of the HSE. For better or worse, the purpose of the red tape is save tax payers money by putting the expense back to the private sector.

 

Tony, with all due respect, this is utter RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!

 

If that the purpose of the HSE WHY does it only apply to work??

 

Lets carry your argument on, WHY are people allowed to smoke??, be fat??, drive??, take part in dangerous sport??

 

The whole purpose of the HSE is to protect employees and the public.

[Blakes 7]

The purpose of the HSE? Well we would like to believe that it is there so we all go home each evening in one piece.

It is the point of it, however it in reality is to police the HSAW Act.

We had the HSAW Act before we joined Europe, but since joining, when the European gov' decides that it wants us to be safer at work, it passes a European law.

This is where our gov' gets involved and it is given a Directive from Brussels.

Our gov' then makes this a Regulation and attaches it to one of our Acts.

Our gov' now has a duty of care in the same way you as an employer has.

As they have this duty, they now have to check that we are doing what they say. Hence why self employed are not excempt from legislation.

And why the HSE exists.

Hope you can follow that.

[Tom D]

Tony, with all due respect, this is utter RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!

 

If that the purpose of the HSE WHY does it only apply to work??

 

Lets carry your argument on, WHY are people allowed to smoke??, be fat??, drive??, take part in dangerous sport??

 

The whole purpose of the HSE is to protect employees and the public.

 

Tony's right, people are alowed to smoke because any government that tried to stop them would be voted out soon after, same goes for the fat, discrimination etc, the numbers of people injured in dangerous sports are minimal compared to wrok related accidents anyway.

 

The real issue is, to control / ban the above things would be an infringement on peoples personal rights and freedoms, when you are at work however, even if you are a one man band these rights are different.

 

Personally I'd like to see a situation in which the victim of an accident or the company that he is working for at the time pays for the emergency and medical care afterwards. This way the ****heads who climb mountains and get lost causing the navy / coastguard to risk their lives to rescue them would have to pay for the rescue. And likewise companies who have accidents would claim on their insurance to cover these costs.

 

This way the insurance industry would police the people they insure and there would be far fewer cowboys out there. This nearly happened a few years ago but sadly it has now reverted to how it was before.

[softbankhawks]

I can not believe that there are no sleeping smileys!

 

This was the next best thing Al. B O R I N G !

[Highland Forestry]

I can not believe that there are no sleeping smileys!

 

This was the next best thing Al. B O R I N G !

 

 

I'd agree with that.... there's so many posts on this forum that somehow always revert back to the whole HSE thing.

I for one am fed up about hearing about the HSE and all the guidelines, red tape, laws, recommendations yada yada yada.