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[danroker1987]

Of cause its fair, if your rich a small fine means nothing!

 

Why do the rich pay more tax????

 

Haha because they can lol

 

 

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[Marc Lewis]

They are means tested, which is why pro footballers etc get much larger fines. And the point about it being unfair, I think in fact it makes it more fair because £100 to Mr Smith down the road, hits him equivently (I use that word very loosely) as £3000 would do to Gerard or whomever.

Edited May 7, 2014 by Marc Lewis

[treequip]

Of cause its fair, if your rich a small fine means nothing!

 

Why do the rich pay more tax????

 

You seem fixed on the financial, what about murder, does a young man get more jail time because he has longer to live?

 

And the page you linked to is nothing to do with means testing of fines, its a site that earns its corn by dealing with bailiffs and one of the defences is that they may have to means test you before setting the bailiffs on you.

 

It's a complete red herring and has NOTHING to do with the means testing of fines, only the collection of them.

[danroker1987]

I agree mark ! You do know gerrards on £130.000 a week though haha

 

 

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[danroker1987]

You seem fixed on the financial, what about murder, does a young man get more jail time because he has longer to live?

 

And the page you linked to is nothing to do with means testing of fines, its a site that earns its corn by dealing with bailiffs and one of the defences is that they may have to means test you before setting the bailiffs on you.

 

It's a complete red herring and has NOTHING to do with the means testing of fines, only the collection of them.

 

Now now lads lol murder .... Is there anyone running a buisness on a murder charge lol I might be

 

 

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[carlos]

in my earlier posts i was referring more to the loss of licences, than fines.

[Marc Lewis]

I agree mark ! You do know gerrards on £130.000 a week though haha

 

 

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Haha, maybe I should have put £30,000!!

[treequip]

They are means tested, which is why pro footballers etc get much larger fines. And the point about it being unfair, I think in fact it makes it more fair because £100 to Mr Smith down the road, hits him equivently (I use that word very loosely) as £3000 would do to Gerard or whomever.

 

Fines are dispensed in accordance with the tariff of punishment.

 

It sets out the minimum and maximum punishment for the offence.

 

For the plebeian, your brief can whinge that you don't have a lot of disposable income and that a heavy fine would be difficult to pay, that cant be said of the footballers so they get the top end of the tariff. The courts don't get involved with financially auditing each and every drink driving defendant but the sentencing guidelines say they do have to take the severity into account.

 

To take your example of Mr Smith lets say the fine is £100.00 and he earns £400.00 a week, that makes the fine a quarter of his weekly. Rooney earns 329,851.00 a week and a quarter of that is over 82 grand, that's hardly a means tested fine

 

What looks like means testing is the guilty as sin whinging that they cant pay even tough they are bang to rights.

[skyhuck]

You seem fixed on the financial, what about murder, does a young man get more jail time because he has longer to live?

 

And the page you linked to is nothing to do with means testing of fines, its a site that earns its corn by dealing with bailiffs and one of the defences is that they may have to means test you before setting the bailiffs on you.

 

It's a complete red herring and has NOTHING to do with the means testing of fines, only the collection of them.

 

 

Page 148 of the Sentencing Guidelines. . .

 

"3. The aim is for the fine to have an equal impact on offenders with different financial circumstances; it

should be a hardship but should not force the offender below a reasonable ‘subsistence’ level

[skyhuck]

Fines are dispensed in accordance with the tariff of punishment.

 

It sets out the minimum and maximum punishment for the offence.

 

For the plebeian, your brief can whinge that you don't have a lot of disposable income and that a heavy fine would be difficult to pay, that cant be said of the footballers so they get the top end of the tariff. The courts don't get involved with financially auditing each and every drink driving defendant but the sentencing guidelines say they do have to take the severity into account.

 

To take your example of Mr Smith lets say the fine is £100.00 and he earns £400.00 a week, that makes the fine a quarter of his weekly. Rooney earns 329,851.00 a week and a quarter of that is over 82 grand, that's hardly a means tested fine

 

What looks like means testing is the guilty as sin whinging that they cant pay even tough they are bang to rights.

 

They do, I was up for a motoring offence and they wanted my last 3 years year end accounts.