Timber winch

[njc110381]

I'm having a bit of a mull over buying myself a little timber winch but there is a stumbling block that I don't really understand.... Line speed.

 

Am I right in thinking that a winch to drag logs out of a wood doesn't need to be massively powerful, but could do with getting on with things a bit? Ideally I'd like a hydraulic one to mid mount on my Unimog between the cab and bed and then feed the cable through rollers out the back. Could be a bit over zealous but hey - it's a plan I can aim to achieve!

 

Does such a thing exist in the budget world? I've seen some cracking double drum contraptions on youtube but they are very specialist and I don't think I could afford one. My main worry is that I will buy something and although it will have a good rated pull, it could well be too slow!

 

Am I thinking along the right lines or would I be better off sticking to a bumper or linkage mounted pto winch? I don't know my flow rate, but it's a standard U900.

[njc110381]

123 views and not a single opinion? I'd have thought there would be at least on member willing to either offer some advice or tell me I'm an idiot and expecting too much!

[leafcut]

I have a portawinch p5000 I believe.It can pull up to 2 1/2 ton with a re- direct, there are two capstan sizes, the faster of the two cant pull as much wt as the slower. It is very versatile attaching to any reasonably strong and sturdy anchor point ie another tree, tow bar, crossmember etc. I have pulled up a long 30 degree slope large live ash trunks without much effort as well as bundles of cuttings and stuck vehicles. Its expensive at around £1,600 including tow hitch plate, rope etc, hope this helps, Nick Pearson, Timberline-Roe Ltd.

[difflock]

Well derp

I will comment, but how much sense it will make I cannot say.

If you take a look at any of the forestry winch manufacturers web-sites, they will all quote line speeds.

From recall between 0.6 and 1.0m/sec, obviously varying on drum capacity/no of turns on the winch drum.

I would say about 4 to 5 tonne pull capacity would be plently for the U900.

Could you not rather source a winch for a Unimog off ebay.de.

Either recovery type or indeed a forestry type.

Since they were not an uncommon fitment in Germany.

The cost could indeed be a bit of a boker though.

Edited February 11, 2014 by difflock

[mendiplogs]

Well derp

I will comment, but how much sense it will make I cannot say.

If you take a look at any of the forestry winch manufacturers web-sites, they will all quote line speeds.

From recall between 0.6 and 1.0m/sec, obviously varying on drum capacity/no of turns on the winch drum.

I would say about 4 to 5 tonne pull capacity would be plently for the U900.

Could you not rather source a winch for a Unimog off ebay.de.

Either recovery type or indeed a forestry type.

Since they were not an uncommon fitment in Germany.

The cost could indeed be a bit of a boker though.

 

HI MATE we have fitted a winch to the front of the tractor 5/6ton HYD one just the job:thumbup: and we have igland 55 5,5ton one for sale thanks jon

[njc110381]

Well derp

I will comment, but how much sense it will make I cannot say.

If you take a look at any of the forestry winch manufacturers web-sites, they will all quote line speeds.

From recall between 0.6 and 1.0m/sec, obviously varying on drum capacity/no of turns on the winch drum.

I would say about 4 to 5 tonne pull capacity would be plently for the U900.

Could you not rather source a winch for a Unimog off ebay.de.

Either recovery type or indeed a forestry type.

Since they were not an uncommon fitment in Germany.

The cost could indeed be a bit of a boker though.

 

Thanks... I think!

 

I've looked at a few sites but hadn't noticed line speed. Probably looking in the wrong place to be honest, but I did try!

 

I have spotted a few on ebay. Most on ebay.de are hard to get delivered but you are right, there are a lot more over there. A small Igland type thing would be great and I have seen them sell within budget, but they don't come up often.

 

What I really want is something that can mount on the chassis between the tipper bed and the cab, which then feeds through rollers to the rear. I have seen them before (youtube I think) but have never seen anything like it for sale. Home made perhaps?

 

My mog was a forestry truck at some point. It has the round fuel tank that was usually fitted to logging mogs and there is space between the bed and cab for a winch of this kind. Sadly it was removed long ago.

[difflock]

Winch Krpan 5,5 EH - Krpan

 

see above

 

medium velocity = average speed = 0.6m/s

Edited February 11, 2014 by difflock

[mendiplogs]

Well derp

I will comment, but how much sense it will make I cannot say.

If you take a look at any of the forestry winch manufacturers web-sites, they will all quote line speeds.

From recall between 0.6 and 1.0m/sec, obviously varying on drum capacity/no of turns on the winch drum.

I would say about 4 to 5 tonne pull capacity would be plently for the U900.

Could you not rather source a winch for a Unimog off ebay.de.

Either recovery type or indeed a forestry type.

Since they were not an uncommon fitment in Germany.

The cost could indeed be a bit of a boker though.

 

HI DIFFLOCK my igland 55 rope speed is 0.76/1.73mt/per sec and it pulls well thanks jon

[njc110381]

1.73m/s? Christ John, that's shifting a bit isn't it! I wish I had the money for it now - it sounds like a cracking piece of kit.

 

Feeling rather miffed by the fact that I've just been shown a link to a manufacturer website with everything I've asked on it, I returned to the Igland site in the hope of fighting my corner. Turns out there's a little pdf link that I hadn't seen before and guess what it contains.... Yeah, it's all the info I didn't think was there!

 

Whilst I've got a couple of you talking, what do you think of the old winches complete with fold down anchor that used to be fitted to little Ferguson tractors? Made by Hesford I think? They look quite smart for a part time user and they seem to sell for a very reasonable price. The only thing they don't seem to have is the choker chain grooves, so you probably can't haul in several stems and lift/hook them on to drag behind the truck?

[muldonach]

1.73m/s? Christ John, that's shifting a bit isn't it! I wish I had the money for it now - it sounds like a cracking piece of kit.

 

Feeling rather miffed by the fact that I've just been shown a link to a manufacturer website with everything I've asked on it, I returned to the Igland site in the hope of fighting my corner. Turns out there's a little pdf link that I hadn't seen before and guess what it contains.... Yeah, it's all the info I didn't think was there!

 

Whilst I've got a couple of you talking, what do you think of the old winches complete with fold down anchor that used to be fitted to little Ferguson tractors? Made by Hesford I think? They look quite smart for a part time user and they seem to sell for a very reasonable price. The only thing they don't seem to have is the choker chain grooves, so you probably can't haul in several stems and lift/hook them on to drag behind the truck?

 

Used one on a 35 years ago for a couple of small jobs, the winch was good, as you say no choker chain grooves but we had 3 chokers and were pulling out full tree lengths so plenty for both winch and tractor to work with.

 

If you want or need the grooves a decent welder should be able to sort you out without problem.

 

Cheers

mac