Tree's failing?.....So move the target.

[David Humphries]

I'm keen to enclose these Trees in fencing/guards.

Due to the damage the Deer & Donkeys are causing to the butresses.

 

I have tried a couple on t'net, but they seem to only supply the stock 0.6m diameter ones. Which are obviously too small.

 

Would appreciate if any on can recommend a company that fabricates bespoke sizes?

 

Bit like the one below.

 

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[Colin Bashford]

That tree is, IMO, a MAGNIFICENT tree growing old gracefully, I would enjoy looking at that all day long.

 

The cost of moving the benches and erecting the fence was worth every penny, and I would have happily have contributed to the cost of its retention of it if it were local to me

 

The first tree which has fallen over looks awful to me and if I had to see it on a regular basis it would just make me sad.

 

I think the fallen tree actually spoils the look of the other Oaks in the group.

 

As most on this forum know I do a lot of lurking and say little. However in this case which I have followed closely I feel that I have to speak up in support of Skyhuck over this case!

 

He sets out my thoughts exactly over the first fallen oak. It does spoil the line of the other oaks which I suspect were part of an avenue. If that is the case then the 'group' effect of the avenue must in my opinion is a much stronger reason to look after them as a whole than pay so much attention to a fallen tree. It is the siting of the fallen tree that reduces it's visual amenity value and my personal advice based on the evidence so far given would be to remove it and replace at least with a Extra heavy standard stock sized oak tree, to help ensure that the beauty of the line of trees is ensured and so that it can be enjoyed by this and future generations.

 

There is of course support for veteran trees, but we must also consider the well established landscape settings that are designed and are so much part of our green heritage. They also must be retained and preserved.

 

Ok thats my two pennyworth.

 

Colin

[Giles Hill]

 

Would appreciate if any on can recommend a company that fabricates bespoke sizes?

 

Bit like the one below.

 

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I haven't seen anything 'off the peg' but you should be able to find a local blacksmith or fabricator that will make up whatevever you want. Just show them the picture and give them some dimensions.

 

A fabricator specialising in railings would probably give you the best deal.

[Giles Hill]

Just remembered...

 

Not exactly local but this company should be able to help you out - they're a friendly lot, very capable and will do what you ask them. They've made a couple of things for us including a 'thing' that's being supplied / installed in N London.

 

Welcome to Alpha Rail

[Giles Hill]

 

There is of course support for veteran trees, but we must also consider the well established landscape settings that are designed and are so much part of our green heritage. They also must be retained and preserved.

 

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I quite like the way the three trees in this picture seem to be showing the three stages of death. Ok that is nonsense, but I think the fallen tree could prove to be a point of interest over the years. The limbs touching the ground might root and the canopy adaption might develop into something...

 

Or it might just give up and die, but I think it's worth giving it some time to see what happens, it's not doing any harm and it'd leave a big gap if it's removed.

 

In the meantime, I agree it would be worth getting another tree established nearby, to continue the line in the longer term, only I'd try and find a seedling from nearby - I think it'd be a bit of a job keeping an EHS alive and it'd be a few years before it puts on any useful growth, particularly in this weather.

 

[Colin Bashford]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I quite like the way the three trees in this picture seem to be showing the three stages of death. Ok that is nonsense, but I think the fallen tree could prove to be a point of interest over the years. The limbs touching the ground might root and the canopy adaption might develop into something...

 

Or it might just give up and die, but I think it's worth giving it some time to see what happens, it's not doing any harm and it'd leave a big gap if it's removed.

 

In the meantime, I agree it would be worth getting another tree established nearby, to continue the line in the longer term, only I'd try and find a seedling from nearby - I think it'd be a bit of a job keeping an EHS alive and it'd be a few years before it puts on any useful growth, particularly in this weather.

 

 

I understand your view and respect your opinion, but having considered and reassessed I still stick with my expressed opinion.

 

Cheers.

[David Humphries]

Just remembered...

 

 

Welcome to Alpha Rail

 

 

 

Thanks Giles, will give them a call.

 

 

 

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[David Humphries]

As most on this forum know I do a lot of lurking and say little. However in this case which I have followed closely I feel that I have to speak up in support of Skyhuck over this case!

 

He sets out my thoughts exactly over the first fallen oak. It does spoil the line of the other oaks which I suspect were part of an avenue. If that is the case then the 'group' effect of the avenue must in my opinion is a much stronger reason to look after them as a whole than pay so much attention to a fallen tree. It is the siting of the fallen tree that reduces it's visual amenity value and my personal advice based on the evidence so far given would be to remove it and replace at least with a Extra heavy standard stock sized oak tree, to help ensure that the beauty of the line of trees is ensured and so that it can be enjoyed by this and future generations.

 

There is of course support for veteran trees, but we must also consider the well established landscape settings that are designed and are so much part of our green heritage. They also must be retained and preserved.

 

Ok thats my two pennyworth.

 

Colin

 

Well about bleedin time Mr B.

Anyone would think you were busy or something.

 

Ofcourse your point is well founded and shared by the majority. (Tree fellers & the uneducated public)

Even if that is not quite reflected in the postings of this thread.

 

But, although I am no classical landscape student, I would imagine that messres Brown, Repton and Kent did not envisage with their remarkable foresight, miles upon miles of just uniform, neat, trimmed, monospecied Man made avenues & blanned plantations.

 

I'd also imagine they knew that true landscape form & aesthetical beauty, was largely acheived by mimicking the randomness of nature.

 

I was at the NT's Sherringham Park in Norfolk last week, which I understand to be of Repton 'design'

 

If you know it, you will be aware it is a mesmerising kalaedascope of random planting and meandering footways.

Stunning so it is

 

 

Why do we have to tame nature & tidy everything up, steralising the ecology that has taken decades to establish in spite of Mans interventions.

 

Anyhows, this 'quirk' aint goin no place meharties

 

Oh yeah, nearly forgot, as a nod to 'conformity' the wee one 'next in line' is a replacement for one that was completely uprooted in a little windy event we had back in the late eighties.

 

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[Colin Bashford]

Well about bleedin time Mr B.

Anyone would think you were busy or something.

 

Ofcourse your point is well founded and shared by the majority. (Tree fellers & the uneducated public) I hope that I am neither a tree feller nor an uneducated member of the public. However, over many arboricultural issues their knowledge may well be greater than those expressed.

Even if that is not quite reflected in the postings of this thread.

 

But, although I am no classical landscape student, I would imagine that messres Brown, Repton and Kent did not envisage with their remarkable foresight, miles upon miles of just uniform, neat, trimmed, monospecied Man made avenues & blanned plantations. No they did not and I am not advocating as you well know over manicured trees and landscape. Neither I am sure did our great landscape ancestors envisage a mess of fallen trees in their great parkland landscapes, retained solely to benefit ecology and nature conservation. I robustly believe that we owe a great debt to such as Repton, Brown, Bridgeman and Kent and we should therefore maintain their work and that of others in purity of their design. We would not allow our listed buildings to fall into decline to provide a habitat for the likes of the Deathwatch beetle!!!

 

I'd also imagine they knew that true landscape form & aesthetical beauty, was largely acheived by mimicking the randomness of nature.

 

I was at the NT's Sherringham Park in Norfolk last week, which I understand to be of Repton 'design'

 

If you know it, you will be aware it is a mesmerising kalaedascope of random planting and meandering footways.

Stunning so it is

 

 

Why do we have to tame nature & tidy everything up, steralising the ecology that has taken decades to establish in spite of Mans interventions.

 

Anyhows, this 'quirk' aint goin no place meharties There is a place and time for everything and in this particular case I support Skyhuck. Please however do not start me on "veteranisation".

 

Oh yeah, nearly forgot, as a nod to 'conformity' the wee one 'next in line' is a replacement for one that was completely uprooted in a little windy event we had back in the late eighties. Good to see and who says this is wrong.

 

.Now I am about to depart on the small matter of a honeymoon so do not expect a reply until my return.

 

QUOTE] Please see my interwoven comments above in red. Take care David and keep up the good work but please stay open and receptive to all opinions in various circumstances.

 

Colin[/

[Bundle 2]

Mmmmm...I am with Colin on this one...tho' not obviously on the honeymoon thing. Christ, what do you take me for....wait, that means I agree with Skyhuck......OMG!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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