friction saver

[TimR]

hmm my only concern looking at some of these setups is that as we all know camb savers can be fickle items and hands up even with standard set up it has managed to get stuck up the tree in a tight crotch or such like and with the added size of a krab or pulley on the end raises the chances of this happening or is it just me being a muppet?

[Peter]

There is more chance of it getting stuck, careful placement and using a retrieval line help to avoid the problem.

Knowing how to rescue a stuck cambium saver with a throwline will help should the worst happen.

[Steve Bullman]

Sorry a bit off thread I'm afraid,

 

I had wondered why Telho hadn't posted any comments but I was just reading through this thread and under his name it says Banned? Is he no longer allowed on hear?

 

maybe sometime.

[Buzz]

Ha ha lol

[Sciadopitys]

Tried the rope guide again today! still finding the same thing! The lack of friction above just causes my friction hitch to get extremely tight, and everytime i desend a little i have to loosen the hitch before i even attempt to ascend, or i struggle to tend the slack cos the hitch is so tight! I played around with no. of wraps and braids. Tried the distel - i usually have 4 wraps on the distel with a normal cambium saver and it works a treat! Not with the rope guide!!! It jams almost straight away! 3 wraps (as books teach you it) doesn't lock up under load, but after ascent it often doesn't grip the rope when i sit back! Not what i need - it put the shits up me several times!! The rope guide does make ascending easier i know, and the pair of gloves made all the difference (thanks Steve!!) but it is just really annoying having to loosen up my hitch all the flippin time - it drives me crazy! I am wondering if my weight has anything to do with it cos i am well built and weigh 100kg. Anyone else struggling with the rope guide?

[18 stoner]

Tried the rope guide again today! still finding the same thing! The lack of friction above just causes my friction hitch to get extremely tight, and everytime i desend a little i have to loosen the hitch before i even attempt to ascend, or i struggle to tend the slack cos the hitch is so tight! I played around with no. of wraps and braids. Tried the distel - i usually have 4 wraps on the distel with a normal cambium saver and it works a treat! Not with the rope guide!!! It jams almost straight away! 3 wraps (as books teach you it) doesn't lock up under load, but after ascent it often doesn't grip the rope when i sit back! Not what i need - it put the shits up me several times!! The rope guide does make ascending easier i know, and the pair of gloves made all the difference (thanks Steve!!) but it is just really annoying having to loosen up my hitch all the flippin time - it drives me crazy! I am wondering if my weight has anything to do with it cos i am well built and weigh 100kg. Anyone else struggling with the rope guide?

 

Ok Ed, i see you have tried a VT also with the same problem. Just wanted to make sure that you tried adding a wrap to stop the problem?

 

Being around 100kgs myself:wave: i found the same problems you have but always seem to go back to a triple wrap frech prussic with tending pulley. Have you tried that?

[Peter]

Have you tried a nice loose helical?

[Steve Bullman]

exactly what rope and hitch cord are you using? particularly what diameter friction cord?

[Sciadopitys]

What is a nice loose helical??

 

I will try again tomorrow with the VT and try a number of wrap and braid combinations! I'll get it right eventually!

 

Steve - i am climbing on 24-strand, 11mm Poison Ivy with the friction hitch made of 8mm Heat Resistant Kernmantle Prusik cord.

 

I'm sure i'll get it right eventually!

[Peter]

This site tells you how to tie one.

http://www.cave.org.vt.edu/knots.shtml

 

Poison Ivy is 11.8mm diameter, but I'm nitpicking a bit here. VT is very sensitive to any changes in the way you set it up. Even an extra inch in the eye-to-eye length of your cord will make a significant difference.

It is also very rewarding when you do get it right.

Some types of climber will love constantly tinkering with it, others will get fed up and go back to a blakes!