Whoa lol

[Pete Mctree]

What do you do when you've got all the modules?

 

A day with a good instructor is never wasted IMO. No fixed agenda - just see where the day leads you.

 

Do you really need 2/3/4 days?

[Spruce Pirate]

A day with a good instructor is never wasted IMO. No fixed agenda - just see where the day leads you.

 

Do you really need 2/3/4 days?

 

I think that's the point I was trying to make before, I could probably have been clearer.

[scotspine1]

I doubt very much that you know everything bro ..........

 

I know everything I need to know to get the work done safely and efficiently and so do thousands of other experienced pro tree workers who are out there in the real world grafting for their wages every day of the week.

 

With that in mind, what makes the training providers assume they can charge us for providing a 'refresher' course? they're assuming wrongly that we need to be refreshed in how to use a saw. It's not only insulting to professionals but implies that the industry is full of idiots who forget what they learn from one day to the next. The idea of a refresher course for experienced users is an amateur idea aimed at professionals.

 

Knowledge and skill in chainsaw use is cumulative and it can only be gained through experience, the more you use a saw the better you get with one.

 

It's been said that to be an expert musician you need to do 10,000 hours of playing and practicing, there are many chainsaw users who've done well over 10,000 hours of cutting. What is a training provider going to teach a person with over 10,000 hours of chainsaw use?

 

Refresher training for experienced users a money making scam. The training providers will be only too happy to take your money to tell you things you already know.

 

This is why I wont ever be doing a refresher course in chainsaw use of any kind and I'd encourage other experienced treeworkers to avoid these courses as well unless you want to give your hard earned money to people who dont deserve it. Keep this money for yourself or your family.

 

 

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Edited April 30, 2013 by scotspine1

[Craobh]

A day with a good instructor is never wasted IMO. No fixed agenda - just see where the day leads you.

 

Do you really need 2/3/4 days?

 

That is very true bro.......I learnt more being the second sawyer and buckman than anything I still love to pack the saws and gas for the guys in the big league it really is awesome to see them work a tree and watch how they work things out etc.

 

 

Finding guys that will teach ain't easy and actually getting them the pieces of paper to say they can teach is I'd guess even harder.

[Craobh]

I know everything I need to know to get the work done safely and efficiently and so do thousands of other experienced pro tree workers who are out there in the real world grafting for their wages every day of the week.

 

With that in mind, what makes the training providers assume they can charge us for providing a 'refresher' course? they're assuming wrongly that we need to be refreshed in how to use a saw. It's not only insulting to professionals but implies that the industry is full of idiots who forget what they learn from one day to the next. The idea of a refresher course for experienced users is an amateur idea aimed at professionals.

 

Knowledge and skill in chainsaw use is cumulative and it can only be gained through experience, the more you use a saw the better you get with one.

 

It's been said that to be an expert musician you need to do 10,000 hours of playing and practicing, there are many chainsaw users who've done well over 10,000 hours of cutting. What is a training provider going to teach a person with over 10,000 hours of chainsaw use?

 

Refresher training for experienced users a money making scam. The training providers will be only too happy to take your money to tell you things you already know.

 

This is why I wont ever be doing a refresher course in chainsaw use of any kind and I'd encourage other experienced treeworkers to do avoid these courses as well unless you want to give your hard earned money to people who dont deserve it. Keep this money for yourself or your family.

 

Sir I am not questioning your skills in any way at all but I very much doubt if ya spent a day falling with me that you'd not pick up something ......I'm not being big headed but I sincerly doubt if youve ever been confronted by things I have.

 

 

 

I could learn from you I have no doubt at all.

 

 

 

 

You can't go thru any working life saying ok now I know all I need to know

 

 

 

just my opinion tho

[scotspine1]

I very much doubt if ya spent a day falling with me that you'd not pick up something

 

I could learn from you I have no doubt at all.

 

That's fine. But that's not refresher training that's real on the job experience.

 

let's say a training provider assumes they can update your skills, how do they know this? how do they know what skill level you're at? how do they know what experience you have? they dont, but they'll happily take your money and have a go at trying to 'update' your skills they know nothing about. The whole idea of refresher training for experienced users is based on a negative assumption.

 

A training provider by their very nature has either ceased doing the job or doesn't do the job as much as they used to, everyday they spend running courses takes them away from the sharp end of treework.

 

In the meantime you are moving on, gaining more and more experience and skill. In this situation, how will their knowledge advance beyond your's if all they do is run courses and assessments? it wont, they'll become stagnant, but they'll never admit this because the whole training industry is filled with mutual backslapping and work creation.

 

If you can satisfactorily carry out your work to a very high standard and you're safe in the knowledge that what you're doing is working for you, this negates the whole principle of refresher training.

 

Right now seriously experienced people are paying training providers to apparently 'update' their skills. It's nonsense.

 

A message to training providers and tree industry bureaucrats -

 

Refresher training for experienced users is pointless

 

[Craobh]

That's fine. But that's not refresher training that's real on the job experience.

 

let's say a training provider assumes they can update your skills, how do they know this? how do they know what skill level you're at? how do they know what experience you have? they dont, but they'll happily take your money and have a go at trying to 'update' your skills they know nothing about. The whole idea of refresher training for experienced users is based on a negative assumption.

 

A training provider by their very nature has either ceased doing the job or doesn't do the job as much as they used to, everyday they spend running courses takes them away from the sharp end of treework.

 

In the meantime you are moving on, gaining more and more experience and skill. In this situation, how will their knowledge advance beyond your's if all they do is run courses and assessments? it wont, they'll become stagnant, but they'll never admit this because the whole training industry is filled with mutual backslapping and work creation.

 

If you can satisfactorily carry out your work to a very high standard and you're safe in the knowledge that what you're doing is working for you, this negates the whole principle of refresher training.

 

Right now seriously experienced people are paying training providers to apparently 'update' their skills. It's nonsense.

 

A message to training providers and tree industry bureaucrats -

 

Refresher training for experienced users is pointless

 

 

Sorry but I have to disagree The guys I know that teach and yes 2 of them are retired but hell you pick their brains and well they'd smoke my rear end and I respect that

 

 

 

Is it not up to you to ask the right questions??? Up to you to tell them your experience etc???

 

 

I'd also think that for insurance (I dunno over here) it not a bad idea to keep up to date and if they are govt cert then they can tell you the latest rules etc ......not heresay or some ones interpretation just how the law written

 

 

 

I ain't gonna fight with ya but I do think your not quite right

[scotspine1]

I do think your not quite right

 

I'm right mate, trust me, hang around the UK long enough and you'll see I'm right. This is a country run by bureaucrats who have become completely detached from the reality of everyday life for decent hard working people.

[Craobh]

I'm right mate, trust me, hang around the UK long enough and you'll see I'm right. This is a country run by bureaucrats who have become completely detached from the reality of everyday life for decent hard working people.

 

I am a Scot lol and the states lol well least here ya got one law (ok I know scots law gotta have (Scotland) after it lol) but there we got 50 (then there the commonwealths and territories) states with differing laws then counties within states then even towns within counties and all can and frequently are different lol