Whoa lol

[Craobh]

refresher training for experienced users is a money making exercise for training providers

 

If I went on refresher training course it'd be me telling the so called, 'experts' how to use a chainsaw not the other way round.

 

No one is going to tell me how to use a chainsaw, especially not a training provider. I've been using chainsaws everyday of the week since 1996, there is nothing any training provider can tell me about using a saw.

 

It's time the industry put this 'refresher training for experienced users' trash in the bin, it's a complete joke, an insult to your intelligence and a drain on your hard earned cash. While we're all out doing real work, the training providers are sitting having meetings on how to get more money out of us.

 

If there is anyone out there who can explain why I need a refresher course in chainsaw use I would like to hear from you, genuinely, go on, explain to me why I should do a refresher training course. It better be good.

 

 

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I doubt very much that you know everything bro ..........I been cutting and falling for over 30 years and I'm still learning and I've probably cut and falled more timber than 70% of folks on here and I'd still consider myself only competent.

 

 

I get the money making bit I really do but your never to old and never do ya stop learning

[Mark Bolam]

Good posts Tim and Craobh, I agree with both of you, if that makes sense.

[slack ma girdle]

I am still none the wiser for the soft dutchman, and i am intreged.

Can you supply a step by step photo or video guide.

[Craobh]

I am still none the wiser for the soft dutchman, and i am intreged.

Can you supply a step by step photo or video guide.

 

Bro I will try and cut a soft dutch pretty soon there are variations on it but you'll see my take on it lol for what it worth lol. The cuts I use ain't fancy just things we use and been taught just another tool in the bag really.

[Craobh]

Honestly tho ya better using the hard dutchman easier to do and with the type of face used over here it'll work better. There are loads of variations and I know a few but friends of mine may have a different take and different types. It just a way of maximizing output etc etc etc but I've got it wrong lol and prob will when I go do it in next few days as never tried it on small stuff or hardwood for that matter.......there are sequoia's near here that would be perfect but the owner of them might be a wee bit upset if I fall em lol:blushing::blushing::lol:

[Spruce Pirate]

No one is going to tell me how to use a chainsaw, especially not a training provider. I've been using chainsaws everyday of the week since 1996, there is nothing any training provider can tell me about using a saw.

 

That's interesting, I've been using a saw since '96, and I learn stuff from almost every cutter I meet, be they woodcutters, tree surgeons, training providers or any mix of the aforementioned.

 

I do think that current training for this industry is barely fit for purpose, and I do not think that refresher training is the answer to this, in fact I tend to agree that it is more of a money making exercise for trainers. But, if it is done right, it is an opportunity for us all to develop further skills. I am NOT interested in spending 3 or 4 days being refreshed in maintenance, cross-cutting and felling small trees - I think that is totally over the top for an operator who has been using a saw proffessionally for 17 years. I do think that if I can refresh all my ground based tickets in a day and all my climbing based tickets in another day that doing this every 5 years would not be a bad thing. It keeps up to date with best practice, can introduce any new ideas - I know we've been cutting down trees since pre-historic times, but new ideas, or at least different ideas, do come along from time to time. If both the cost and duration of refresher training could be reigned in I think it would be a much more attractive proposition.

 

We are not the only industry that is subject to refresher / re-licensing etc.

 

I shall open the floor to further discussion.

[Rich Rule]

Why not just do an extra module and gain another ticket in the refresher process

[Spruce Pirate]

Why not just do an extra module and gain another ticket in the refresher process

 

What do you do when you've got all the modules?

[Craobh]

I agree with what you say there bro. It can be and is a financial drain maybe instead of refresher it could be a a skills upgrade (I can't think of a better way of typing it )

 

 

Hell since I've been on here I've learnt a hell of a lot from guys that do things differently and in some cases better than I could even attempt to do. New ideas and different thoughts are what makes the industry keep moving (not everything is good but even if something can be taken from it and refined it all good)

 

 

In life itself we learn and refresh so why not in industry???

[Rich Rule]

What do you do when you've got all the modules?

 

Then in theory, crack on!