forestry

[ballibeg]

Ha yeah; electrician I know is making £150 / hour. Woodcutter making 2/3 of that a day!!!

 

£300k a year electrician? I'm retraining.

 

Dave

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

£300k a year electrician? I'm retraining.

 

Dave

 

Yep; two them working together; £600k a year... bonkers...

 

Well actually they made £635,093 to be precise.

[Mark Bolam]

I think you'll find most plumbers and sparks are on slightly less than that in the real world.

[Lyncombe-climber]

Just boycott the market if your that bothered.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

I think you'll find most plumbers and sparks are on slightly less than that in the real world.

 

gen up; I have the very figures - you can check on co house if you want...

 

my mate buys a new old 4x4 every week, smashes it up, buys another. Speedboat, etc etc. Hot miss too

[Mark Bolam]

Bollocks to it then.

 

I'm going to be a plumber 2 weeks of the year and spend all my money doing forestry for the other 50....

[JimM]

Thing is, you need to fund CS30,31,32,34,35. (Not digging out the new equivalents), first aid training and PPE to get 1 new person started. 4 weeks to provide that? £2-2.5k per person.

What college is going to provide that as part of a curriculum? Most initial forestry courses take a year, lucky if the students see CS30 and maybe 31 in that first year, get disillusioned and give up. I've seen this already. They don't want to sit in a classroom, and classroom hours are barely 3 days per week in some cases. Colleges want to bulk out courses to ensure trainers get paid for an entire year, not just 4 weeks.

Bear in mind that the above produces cutters, not planting, forwarder skills, tree ident and management, chippers, etc.

 

Plus you are looking for young lads and lasses that want to work on the land, not earn Ferrari owning wages. Most kids at that level won't be able to afford their own PPE, saws etc. and cutters wages won't help towards that much, will they?

 

So risk that expense, motivate the youngster so that he/she stays the course and doesn't run to MaccyD's for a physically easier job.

 

Solve the above and you'll maybe get more kids into forestry. Or all the military lads that have been hit with redundancy?

[NI Tree]

Supply and demand if there are not enough cutters you can charge a premium for your services. You dont find many plumbers earning less than £500 a day inc expenses why is it any different for hand cutters. Both have skills, and expenses.

 

you cant compare them construction is a secondary business but forestry a pirmary business ie it produces the primary inputs need by secondry and business,

forestry is the same as farming not plumbing as they are untimaly the same they growing of a crop be it grass for a dairy farmer or trees by a forester and they all have to sell ther crops to make there money, but secondry business want the product at the lowest cost possible so they drive the price down if they can

eg harvesters have been used to drive down harvesting costs down so the growers used them as they got better returns for the operations as they can reduce labour costs and this has ment that saw operators have had to compeat against the machines and when work on site that machines cant work on they have to compeat againest machines

mills will reject logs than have not had the butt flare removed or bad sneeding by a saw operator but accept them from a harvester,

[NI Tree]

Thing is, you need to fund CS30,31,32,34,35. (Not digging out the new equivalents), first aid training and PPE to get 1 new person started. 4 weeks to provide that? £2-2.5k per person.

What college is going to provide that as part of a curriculum? Most initial forestry courses take a year, lucky if the students see CS30 and maybe 31 in that first year, get disillusioned and give up. I've seen this already. They don't want to sit in a classroom, and classroom hours are barely 3 days per week in some cases. Colleges want to bulk out courses to ensure trainers get paid for an entire year, not just 4 weeks.

Bear in mind that the above produces cutters, not planting, forwarder skills, tree ident and management, chippers, etc.

 

Plus you are looking for young lads and lasses that want to work on the land, not earn Ferrari owning wages. Most kids at that level won't be able to afford their own PPE, saws etc. and cutters wages won't help towards that much, will they?

 

So risk that expense, motivate the youngster so that he/she stays the course and doesn't run to MaccyD's for a physically easier job.

 

Solve the above and you'll maybe get more kids into forestry. Or all the military lads that have been hit with redundancy?

 

well said ps they were talking about getting exmilitrary lads in to farming the other day on the radio

[JimM]

I'm doing training this week with 4 other ex mil guys with some more in training in the next couple of weeks. Motivated, happy to be outside, not being shot at or being directed by idiots.

 

Get hold of them, give them clear, concise training and you've got a good workforce. Let the xbox generation go to MaccyD's.

 

(Please note that other games consoles are available)