maggie thatcher

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Started to read it, got to the second sentence and the first gross factual inaccuracy and didn't read any further. It will be more of the same poorly researched limp wristed liberal drivel pushed by the independent.

 

For the record (and it's easy to check, shame Mark Steel is too lazy to bother, although I suppose that's to be expected) she didn't label Mandela a terrorist.

 

What actually happened was that the ANC used violence against the apartheid government as the only way they could be heard. Many countries had sanctions against SA and the UK basically said that if the ANC stopped their terrorism style activities and focused on political, and if the white government released Mandela, the UK would invest. F W DeKlerk released Mandela and the rest, as we know, is history.

 

 

 

So actually, what Maggie did was to help get Mandela released.

But I wouldn't expect the facts to get in the way of any good 'ole liberal / socialist Thatcher bashing...

 

I do believe you're talking toilet.

 

 

Thatcher wrong on apartheid, Mandela, South Africa says - The Globe and Mail

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From 'terrorist' to tea with the Queen - World - News - The Independent

[alex_m]

i do believe you're talking toilet.

 

qft

[Chunkymunky]

Rather interested to see how this so called protest will develop.

 

Strictly working class ex-miners mixing with blatantly upper class students just out to make trouble (as usual). They'll end up fighting i imagine.

 

These young yobs always spoil any legitimate protest with violence and vandalism. Not sure how that will sit with miners.

 

Personally i think you have the right to your protest. Its not going to affect the world but if thats how you want to express derision about the events of 30years ago fair enough. Respect to you.

 

I hope that following the funeral that maybe there can be productive legacy and re-evaluation of where those communities can go forwards now.

[WorcsWuss]

From 'terrorist' to tea with the Queen - World - News - The Independent

 

You can quote as much liberal press as you like, it's left wing journalism, not factual account.

 

Governments all cosy up together. If they all turned against each other there would be global war without end.

Different nations behave in different ways.

While apartheid was clearly despicable to our western eyes, it's what they had at the time.

It would have been bonkers to fire up against them.

Regimes come and go, the best and most lasting change is when it's implemented by the people, that's what happened in South Africa. The west didn't save them, they did it themselves with a little support from the west.

The ANC (their military arm anyway) did some naughty things, Church Street Bombing for instance. I don't recall the Tories blowing up working men's clubs in the late 90's, so the ANC's terrorist tag wasn't entirely undeserved..

 

We all have different opinions. Mine is that she wasn't all bad and in many respects was brilliant. Some things she did were wrong but were outweighed by the good things she did, principally crushing the vile unions and letting the military sort out the Falklands.

 

The world is changing all the time, some embrace it, others fight it, some do well, some suffer, but it's a fact of life and every generation will experience it.

Those who think they can prevent or control change are wrong. Those who believe that everyone can live in harmony are wrong.

We're all going to suffer in our lives to some degree or other.

The measure of us is how we deal with it.

 

Banging on here about how terrible Maggie was 20 years on strikes me as a little bit feeble. Things obviously aren't that bad for you if you have a computer or smartphone to surf the Internet on.

 

The company I work for was started in the Thatcher era, enabled even, by a normal lad who didn't go to university, wasn't a toff and had no connections.

Even now the things she put on place for those who wanted to work are benefitting me and my children.

I have to respect her for that.

Edited April 13, 2013 by WorcsWuss

[arbogrunt]

Nelson Mandela a terrorist?...outrageous accusation!...all he did was blow people up to further his political aims...he's no more of a terrorist than Martin McGuiness or Gerry Adams.....er...oh 'ang on!. 'One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist' as they say....

[roboted]

 

 

 

The world is changing all the time, some embrace it, others fight it, some do well, some suffer, but it's a fact of life and every generation will experience it.

Those who think they can prevent or control change are wrong. Those who believe that everyone can live in harmony are wrong.

We're all going to suffer in our lives to some degree or other.

The measure of us is how we deal with it.

 

 

:thumbup:

[JonnyVine]

You can quote as much liberal press as you like, it's left wing journalism, not factual account.

 

Governments all cosy up together. If they all turned against each other there would be global war without end.

Different nations behave in different ways.

While apartheid was clearly despicable to our western eyes, it's what they had at the time.

It would have been bonkers to fire up against them.

Regimes come and go, the best and most lasting change is when it's implemented by the people, that's what happened in South Africa. The west didn't save them, they did it themselves with a little support from the west.

The ANC (their military arm anyway) did some naughty things, Church Street Bombing for instance. I don't recall the Tories blowing up working men's clubs in the late 90's, so the ANC's terrorist tag wasn't entirely undeserved..

 

We all have different opinions. Mine is that she wasn't all bad and in many respects was brilliant. Some things she did were wrong but were outweighed by the good things she did, principally crushing the vile unions and letting the military sort out the Falklands.

 

The world is changing all the time, some embrace it, others fight it, some do well, some suffer, but it's a fact of life and every generation will experience it.

Those who think they can prevent or control change are wrong. Those who believe that everyone can live in harmony are wrong.

We're all going to suffer in our lives to some degree or other.

The measure of us is how we deal with it.

 

Banging on here about how terrible Maggie was 20 years on strikes me as a little bit feeble. Things obviously aren't that bad for you if you have a computer or smartphone to surf the Internet on.

 

The company I work for was started in the Thatcher era, enabled even, by a normal lad who didn't go to university, wasn't a toff and had no connections.

Even now the things she put on place for those who wanted to work are benefitting me and my children.

I have to respect her for that.

 

That is the fundamental thing that the Thatcher Goverment gave us, (it wll sound ludicrous to the Antis) Equal opportunity to Prosper! It made no diference if you had just finnished a degree or finnished as a miner with no education, in the 80's oportunity was rife, those with the desire to work did very well, those that just sat on their RS complaining got and deserved nothing, like wuss has already said, they stll have nothing today! Well I suppose they still have their bitterness.

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You wrote, You can quote as much liberal press as you like, it's left wing journalism, not factual account.

 

If you read the article carefully you will see that it directly quotes Tory MPs.

 

That's not left wing journalism that's fact.

 

You wrote, While apartheid was clearly despicable to our western eyes, it's what they had at the time.

 

That's OK then!

 

[Pumpy]

Some things she did were wrong but were outweighed by the good things she did, principally crushing the vile unions and letting the military sort out the Falklands.

 

I recall some of those "wrong things" she did, possibly the wrongest thing she did was to support Pol Pots Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

 

However, I can't agree with the logic that giving military assistance to genocidal maniacs is outweighed by her actions crushing the unions.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree there!