maggie thatcher

[Chunkymunky]

Just because someone is pro thatcher does not mean they don't have sympathy for what happened in some areas.

 

She had to take some actions, maybe she did it too quickly, maybe union action stiffened her resolve rather than appealing to her other side.

 

Fact is somebody have said they hate every thing she stood for. But you can't say that everything someone did is bad because you hate them for one series of policies.

 

It would be hard to prove that no labour voters voted in 1979 when it was such a landslide.

[WorcsWuss]

Like i said there were those affected and those unaffected you were obviously in the latter group!

 

The same can be said for ALL leaders.

Unfortunately for mrs T the unions were selfish mobsters who wrought havoc on the country.

They were a minority. What right did they have to hold the entire country to ransom?

None.

They got off lightly for what was practically terrorism in my view.

She did a tough job at a tough time. She had to look out for the majority, which her record shows she did.

I think that history will show that the Blair regime did more damage to the country.....

[JonnyVine]

Arrrgh, I promised myself I woud not post on this thread but I am writing a boring report so need some escape.

 

Getlemen, lets go back in time to the latter half of the 1970s, we had srike after strike, the three day week, power cuts every evening, British Leyland, Arthur Scargill, Red Robbo et al.

 

The uk was divided, on one side were people that wanted to work and a pompous, arrogant, set in its ways management system that dated back to WW2, on the other were were a more modern breed of "socialist" worker that enjoyed idleness, the labour exchange and the power of its Union that was on the payroll of the USSR, rapidly evaporating the "Great" out of britain.

 

Just a quick walk down memory lane would have been quite difficult in the summer 1978 as the council workers had been on strike for weeks and refuse was stacked sky high on every street reeking in the heat with rats everywhere (is this begining to sound a bit far fetched?), with the council being on strike, it also meant that the Crematorium workers were also at home and I can still see the 6 oclock newsreel showing coffins full of dead boddies on the streets of Liverpool that no one knew what to do with!

 

The entire country was on its knees and the Prime Minister of the chaos was none other than Labour leader Jim Callaghan, now if you can imagine the foresaid newsreel footage going straight to an interview with Ol'e Jim who was caught emerging from a swimming pool and the famous line was a reply to a question from a reporter " Mr Callaghan what do you intend to do about the present crisis" and the curt reply spoke volumes, "Crisis, What Crisis?" and within weeks there was a General Election.

 

I was too young to vote at the time but I remember thinking that I would have voted for Maggie if they'd have let me and perhaps the reason that no Labour supporters voted was because they were fed up with all the rubbish and dead boddies also.

 

Anyway, we now had a Conservative government that hastily began to clean the place up, sell off the family silver (public companys) they defended the Falklands Islands, crushed all the unions, turned the uk into a police and military state (use of the SAS in the prison riots), truncheoned the striking miners on public television, closed all the mines and made the rich richer (those on benefits were also quite comfortable too) if you wanted work there was plenty and you could even buy your own council house at a very reduced rate, the old stuffy management was replaced by one that learned to invest in people and the UK was back on the map, allbeit with a large number of very unhappy militants with short memories or very little inteligence.

 

5 years later, when they came up for reelection I didn't vote, for me, politicians were just getting ever more self obsessed, arrogant and dictatorial, then just when it could not get any worse we get Tony "the war criminal" Bliar!

[Le Sanglier]

Is this a 2 parter Jonny? Can we have your take on the Blair years next?

[JonnyVine]

Maybe, after Iv'e recovered

[Le Sanglier]

I think we all needed a rest after that one. Quite good though.

[Saw-sick Steve]

The entire country was on its knees and the Prime Minister of the chaos was none other than Labour leader Jim Callaghan, now if you can imagine the foresaid newsreel footage going straight to an interview with Ol'e Jim who was caught emerging from a swimming pool and the famous line was a reply to a question from a reporter " Mr Callaghan what do you intend to do about the present crisis" and the curt reply spoke volumes, "Crisis, What Crisis?" and within weeks there was a General Election.

 

Callaghan never said that - I'm afraid that like so much that's printed in 'The Sun' and that other great bastion of the truth 'The Daily Heil' - sorry, 'Mail' - if you repeat the lie often enough it becomes received wisdom.

In answer to the question ''"What is your general approach, in view of the mounting chaos in the country at the moment?"

Sunny Jim replied;

"Well, that's a judgment that you are making. I promise you that if you look at it from outside, and perhaps you're taking rather a parochial view at the moment, I don't think that other people in the world would share the view that there is mounting chaos."

'The Sun' front page next day was the now infamous 'Crisis' headline, not the first time - and certainly not the last - that they've decided to be "economical with the actualité" (Alan Clark).

I promised myself that I'd not get drawn into this thread...

[JonnyVine]

I'm affraid your incorrect, I saw it with my own eyes on the News, not in the sun as you describe as I don't read newspapers.

 

If anyone would like to read the truth then simply google it

[Le Sanglier]

Just did, it seems he didn't say it.

[egnsean]

The same can be said for ALL leaders.

Unfortunately for mrs T the unions were selfish mobsters who wrought havoc on the country.

They were a minority. What right did they have to hold the entire country to ransom?

None.

They got off lightly for what was practically terrorism in my view.

She did a tough job at a tough time. She had to look out for the majority, which her record shows she did.

I think that history will show that the Blair regime did more damage to the country.....

Under Thatcher unemployment rose from approx 1.4m to well over 3m she did not care:thumbdown: the unions were to militant i agree but where are we now people frightened to speak up for their rights ie working overtime for no extra pay,Blairs government was just a watered down Tory Government, IMO thatcher screwed this country she was only interested in the rich for which i have no respect for her, im not on my own Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead is near the top of the music charts that means thousands of people must have bought the record!