Lantra Ticket = to ??

[Dorset Hedgelayer]

evening all,

13 yr ago did chain saw ticket

Looked into local courses there was NPTC at local collage or Lantra with private training company @ about £100 cheaper.

At the time was told 100% the only difference between the Lantra course I did and the NPTC, (both covered the same things) was that the Forestry Com (FC)did not accept the Lantra 1.

So all ok just dont ask FC for job.

 

A few trees felled (not climbed) later and milesssssssssss of hedges laid later, if I go looking for a bit of ground work. Is the ticket sat in front of me worth the paper its written on ???

 

Lantra Certifcate of Basic Training

Chainsaws- Maintenance- Cross-cutting, felling small trees

[skyhuck]

Should you not have gone for your NPTC assessment after you had completed the training??

 

I thought back then you got trained by Lantra and assessed by NPTC.

 

I have the NPTC tickets, but only got assessed, so did not take the training, so I may be wrong.

[Dorset Hedgelayer]

hi thanks for quick reply

 

ticket states

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Has successfully completed training and assessment in

Chainsaws- Maintenance- Cross-cutting, felling small trees

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I gues other way is to do work as a subbie then its just like me doing any another job providing "employer" is happy

[dexta]

I done the lantra training 2 day course about the same time as you, they didn't offer me the assessment then,have since done several of the cs units. I think you'll find lantra courses are not a qualification and are not recognised buy employers

[Dorset Hedgelayer]

I done the lantra training 2 day course about the same time as you, they didn't offer me the assessment then,have since done several of the cs units. I think you'll find lantra courses are not a qualification and are not recognised buy employers

 

just checked ticket again mine states it was 4 day, cant remeber doing 4 but did cover assessment /test....

[hedgesparrow]

am i right in thinking that things are changing re cs tickets and that lantra and nptc will be the same thing and count as same and cs tickets are being phased out for a more simpler route for qualification.

[Stuart Phillips]

The world has changed a fair bit in the last 13 years. Now, in this brave new world the both Lantra and C&G Landbased (NPTC) offer assessment and qualifcations for awards in chainsaw use. Lantra also offers training courses which can be taken leading to the assessments. The 'CS' units, as such, are being phased out.

That being said, usually those working in the landbased sector are slow to change their vocabulary, so I suspect that we will be still be calling them 'CS 30/31' Etc. in 20 years time. In the same way, I might suspect that some employers will still be asking specifically for 'NPTC CS 30/31' when both the 'CS' units and 'NPTC' has ceased to exist.

 

As far as the 13 year old certificate is concerned, as couple of thoughts spring to mind. Firstly, as I understand it, the legal requirement has always been that you can show that you are adaquately trained. Courts get very excited about the content of the training done, rather than the fist full of certificates held. 13 years ago you completed the training but, given the work that you were planning to undertake, did not require the qualifcation (the NPTC test as it was then). If you have survived for 13 years without it, it suggests that was the right move ... at the time. Times have changed, insurance requirements have changed etc. etc. So you may now find that you want the qualification.

Secondly, 13 years is a long time. The court's next question would be, "What have you done recently?" AFAG 805 recommends a refresher every 5 years for a regular user (every 3 years for the occasional user). If you were involved in an accident, do you have a 'defendable position' to put forward?

Perhaps the answer is to do a refresher course, to sharpen your skills and highligh any bad habits, and then, on the back of that, do the appropriate tests for certification (either through NPTC or Lantra).

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

hi thanks for quick reply

 

ticket states

-------------------------------------------------------------

Has successfully completed training and assessment in

Chainsaws- Maintenance- Cross-cutting, felling small trees

----------------------------------------------

 

I gues other way is to do work as a subbie then its just like me doing any another job providing "employer" is happy

 

Sounds to me like either:

1. A Lantra Awards ITA (integrated training and assessment) certificate, which usually says expires after 5 years, or 3 maybe, in effect forcing the refresher training issue (principally issued to semi-professional chainsaw users), or

2. A certificate of training usually leading to the NPTC (as was) assessment, again usually expires after 5 years.

 

Either way, as Stewart says to both bring you 'up-to-date' and meet current insurance and compliance standards, you'd be best off renewing this certificate under the new regime, i.e. with either Lantra of C&G/NPTC.

 

Cheers..

Paul