How many Ash have to die?

[Theocus]

I haven't seen a summer this year, I'm guessing i missed spring and there defo can't be an autumn. Every ash has that disease thingy!!!!

Your right Andy, people will cash in, I have had a few calls already about ash disease and suspect leaf fall and bark marks!!!

[arbmark]

Great post Andy - i think we need to concentrate the treefolk community's mind on this and not removing mature ash trees wholesale - the larger the population retained, surely the greater the chance of resistance? we'll have to see what the coming spring holds but it looks like it is going to be a sad era in arboriculture.

there will be plenty of timber and logs from the dead and dying trees - there is no excuse for a panic or greedy plunder.

[felixthelogchopper]

Great post Andy - i think we need to concentrate the treefolk community's mind on this and not removing mature ash trees wholesale - the larger the population retained, surely the greater the chance of resistance? we'll have to see what the coming spring holds but it looks like it is going to be a sad era in arboriculture.

there will be plenty of timber and logs from the dead and dying trees - there is no excuse for a panic or greedy plunder.

 

As long as people don't see the risk of a movement ban as a reason to start felling before symptoms develop.

[Andy Collins]

TOs have little effect on a future development site if the trees are removed before the plans are submitted Nimby. It's an age old dodge, unless they fall in a con area or TPOd.

I'm also guessing the TOs are going to be inundated with TPOd Ash removals under DDD, and as such will probably follow our judgement in some cases.

[Billybonfire]

I'm going to coppice as many of mine as I can before any more restrictions are brought in.

[Nimby]

TOs have little effect on a future development site if the trees are removed before the plans are submitted Nimby. It's an age old dodge, unless they fall in a con area or TPOd.

I'm also guessing the TOs are going to be inundated with TPOd Ash removals under DDD, and as such will probably follow our judgement in some cases.

 

I must say Andy that I have noticed a shift in patterns regarding developers bulldozing trees before we get a sniff. Besides, we scour the local plan changes and pick off any susceptible sites that are not already covered. The public are also usually quick if they smell a potential problem with regards tree removal.

 

Also, with regard to DDD, dying has been removed from the exemption of TPO and CAs and I do not see that Ash will be dying particularly quickly from this disease. Although that's an educated guess.

[Gnarlyoak]

Just last March planted 125 Ash Trees for coppicing in the future for firewood.

Wonder how long they will last if this disease spreads?

 

I'd be keeping a close eye on those saplings mate. Did you buy them in or raise them yourself.

 

If you bought them in, check with the nursery where you bought them from. Many ash trees sold by nurseries were originally raised on the continent, and is one of the vectors for bringing this disease to our shores.

 

Of the 100,000 tree reportedly already destroyed in this country, 50,000 of those belonged to a single nursery and all of them had been imported from Europe!

[Andy Collins]

Sorry, yes you're correct of course about the 3rd D re dying. But I do know many trees get removed before planning even gets notified of future developments, so if no TPO or Con Area is already in place there is little that can be done. I know of one oak in particular, where a drive is to be put in the future, and the tree is in the way. I have asked the TO to TPO it, but there is no imminent threat to it as the proposed drive has not had the plans put in yet. But I have been approached to remove the tree, I know there is imminent threat. The tree will eventually be removed before the plans go in, nothing I can do now.

[Gnarlyoak]

i was under the impression were not aloud to move ash trees about as its been banned does that mean we cannot fell ash trees and move the timber to?

 

There are currently no restrictions on felling ash trees and removing their arisings...........

 

Unless:

 

The tree/s is definately infected with chalara, in which case you cannot transport any material from the felling site. You will also need to report it to LA TO or FC or DEFRA.

 

So you need to know what to look for so you can identify the disease. There have been various threads posted on here now with videos and sites where you can get more info. the FC website also shows specific areas where the disease has been found or is strongly suspected.

 

Forestry Commission - Pests and diseases - Ash dieback (Chalara fraxinea)

[likeitorlumpit]

Fell em now before they become infected and controlled waste, shame to waste all that good firewood

 

:lol:

 

There has to come a point sometime soonish I guess where the disease has spread widely and controlling ash wood movement will be pretty pointless.