Imported kiln dried logs - does anyone actualy buy them?

[Daniel Matthews]

You live in the real world, and your quite happy to destroy it through irresponsible purchases. There's plenty of wood available to you from a lot closer than loggy the globe trotter you prefer. 5 mins on Google would easily find you 5 better options. FYI some kilns are now heated by wood, but still use electric for other processes. And seen as the kiln drying of logs is completely unnesseccecary then those logs with "0" carbon could have been used for a better purpose. Anyway I'm off to my pretend world now where we care about the future and spend a moment and maybe an extra pound to source things responsibly. While I'm there I think I might use the 70 tonne of logs in our shed to dry out some different logs, as after all they are "0" carbon.

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

But i can't resist to comment.... 70 tonnes of firewood for personal use a year... i wonder what the sky would look like if everyone in London did the same with all that relatively damp wood. Take a look in the mirror my friend.

 

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[muttley9050]

Yeah again you don't know what you speak of. I live in an intentional community with over 30 people. We are fully heated with wood( including hot water) have solar thermal for summer hot water, produce over 60% of our leccy through pv. Source all our wood responsibly and only use gas for cooking. We also all share one washing machine , one cooker etc etc. This equates to around 8 tonne of wood per year per family. So hows about you look in the mirror my friend, if you get a big enough one you May see a magic carbon neutral container ship behind you.

And jfyi (see what I did there) we don't burn damp wood. We air dry it naturally to 20% max.

[Daniel Matthews]

Yeah again you don't know what you speak of. I live in an intentional community with over 30 people. We are fully heated with wood( including hot water) have solar thermal for summer hot water, produce over 60% of our leccy through pv. Source all our wood responsibly and only use gas for cooking. We also all share one washing machine , one cooker etc etc. This equates to around 8 tonne of wood per year per family. So hows about you look in the mirror my friend, if you get a big enough one you May see a magic carbon neutral container ship behind you.

And jfyi (see what I did there) we don't burn damp wood. We air dry it naturally to 20% max.

 

So do you make your own clothes too? Or if you were to look at the label on your t-shirt would it say Made in China? Where do you think the balloons in that picture of yours were made? Wake up my friend, we live in a global village now - products move all over the world, everywhere, everyday. I am sure it feels good to sit in your eco-bubble and point the finger at everyone else because of your theory on logs, but the reality is that international trade is both necessary and unavoidable.

[muttley9050]

Don't tar me with your brush and only comment on things you understand. I buy my clothes responsibly too thankyou and yes "jfyi" some are homemade. We keep sheep and use there wool. I ain't a saint and don't claim to be, but my limited intelligence allows me to differenciate between necessary international trade and unecessary international trade. It also allows me to see a slight difference between importing a small pack of ballons for a child's party( BTW there's a ballon manufacturer about 20 miles from me my friend) and filling a container ship up with logs. I don't live in a bubble, I just choose to try and leave as little a footprint on this planet as I can so future generations can enjoy. This option is open to everyone Not just the elite!

[Daniel Matthews]

Don't tar me with your brush and only comment on things you understand. I buy my clothes responsibly too thankyou and yes "jfyi" some are homemade. We keep sheep and use there wool. I ain't a saint and don't claim to be, but my limited intelligence allows me to differenciate between necessary international trade and unecessary international trade. It also allows me to see a slight difference between importing a small pack of ballons for a child's party( BTW there's a ballon manufacturer about 20 miles from me my friend) and filling a container ship up with logs. I don't live in a bubble, I just choose to try and leave as little a footprint on this planet as I can so future generations can enjoy. This option is open to everyone Not just the elite!

 

Look, Muttley, I'm sure you are a very nice chap and it is admirable that you are following your beliefs and trying to better the world for the greater good. But this goes back to my Real World comment. Do you think it is practical for populations of large cities to live like yourself, everyone having their own little flock of sheep and making their own clothes? NO.

 

The REALITY is that for mankind to move forwards, we must all specialise and contribute the results with the GLOBAL village. It is far more efficient that way. Sure, there will be challenges along the way, such as global warming, but they will be solved in time - as long as we keep moving forwards. Keeping us all firmly rooted in the past...knitting our own clothes and herding our own sheep is just not practical in this day and age, my good friend.

[htb]

So long as the lights keep burning in the city sod the planet, is that what you think. We all need to reduce drastically what we use, not be of the I want therefore I will have mentality. Sorry for derailing your discussion.

[muttley9050]

You see again you speak assuredly about things like you know all about them. Globilization is Not the only way there's plenty of small things everyone can do. I.never once suggested everybody should live like me, it was you who started to belittle my way of life. I don't comment on how you choose to live in the smog, that's up to you, I don't mind if you continue to live in cloud cuckoo land theorizing that there's plenty of oil to keep guzzling. I merely commented that perhaps if everybody acted a little more responsibly and tried to consume a little less we May not be in this posistion. I would be very interested to know how you think global warming and more importantly peak oil are just a blip that we Will simply overcome. I predict mass starvation and Marshall law as the distant future we are creating. Maybe try to take some responsibility for your part in this and don't just assume that someone else Will solve all the problems you help create. It is you my friend who lives in a bubble, a bubble where everything is fine and there's no need to address your own consumption. And for the record I'd be happy to send you some fleece so you can create your own low impact clothing without the need to herd sheep in your window box

Edited June 14, 2013 by muttley9050

[muttley9050]

So long as the lights keep burning in the city sod the planet, is that what you think. We all need to reduce drastically what we use, not be of the I want therefore I will have mentality. Sorry for derailing your discussion.

 

Well said mate, maybe a little more succint than me.

[Daniel Matthews]

You see again you speak assuredly about things like you know all about them. Globilization is Not the only way there's plenty of small things everyone can do. I.never once suggested everybody should live like me, it was you who started to belittle my way of life. I don't comment on how you choose to live in the smog, that's up to you, I don't mind if you continue to live in cloud cuckoo land theorizing that there's plenty of oil to keep guzzling. I merely commented that perhaps if everybody acted a little more responsibly and tried to consume a little less we May not be in this posistion. I would be very interested to know how you think global warming and more importantly peak oil are just a blip that we Will simply overcome. I predict mass starvation and Marshall law as the distant future we are creating. Maybe try to take some responsibility for your part in this and don't just assume that someone else Will solve all the problems you help create. It is you my friend who lives in a bubble, a bubble where everything is fine and there's no need to address your own consumption. And for the record I'd be happy to send you some fleece so you can create your own low impact clothing without the need to herd sheep in your window box

 

Your outlook is very bleak...i'm not surprised you have run for the hills (are you in the hills there in your pic?).

 

The solutions will revolve around improvements in technology for things like renewable energy production and efficient modes of transport - including shipping, electric vehicles etc. Guess where the engineers live that develop this technology? In cities. Where? All over the world. How do they share their information - via the internet. Where does the internet come from...engineers working for corporations working in cities....get where I am going with this?

The problems will only be solved quickly if globalization is a key part of it.

 

By importing products, we create jobs in developing countries, who improve their standard of living and therefore can adopt new technologies which over time will reduce their own environmental impact. We need to think on a global level, not a local.

[htb]

By importing products, we create jobs in developing countries, who improve their standard of living and therefore can adopt new technologies which over time will reduce their own environmental impact. We need to think on a global level, not a local.

 

You reckon that China has reduced its enviromental impact by producing for us. How about the improved standard of living for the poor sods in killed in that collapsed clothing factory so we can have cheap disposable clothes.