Tipping trailer for log delivering

[briquette_seller]

The tacho regs gives an exemption for carrying your own goods even for sale. They also give forestry an exemption for carrying other people goods for haulage. Both limited to 100km RADIUS from your main base. If you want a radius tool look at this website HERE

 

Hire & Reward does not mean making or charging money. Its means haulage or courier / delivery jobs. Like Hiring a taxi or paying a courier. Delivery of your own goods is not hire or reward.

 

So your saying delivering firewood for moneys is NOT hire or reward?

[Justme]

So your saying delivering firewood for moneys is NOT hire or reward?

 

Correct if its your firewood you are carrying.

 

However thats not me saying it. Its the DVSA (VOSA).

 

They clearly say that in the linked documents.

[mendiplogs]

They are dual purpose, if they have seats in the rear.

This makes them operators license exempt, but not tacho exempt.

 

If you are working for hire or reward, you require a tacho.

 

If your gross unladen weight is over 3.5 tonnes you need a tacho.

 

That's my understanding, and that's why I run a tacho in my Ranger for log deliveries

 

Hi mate all sounds a night mere to me this TACHO THANKS JON

[Justme]

I do not know what arrisings would be classed as & it might depend if they are yours or you are disposing of them for the client. Your contract with the client should define this. IE charge for removal or pay for product.

 

I would think that if you are taking them to the tip then a tacho would be needed as they are not yours but you are carrying them for me for a fee. Taking them back to base to further process for sale I would think that they are yours & so you are still exempt.

 

The courts might feel differently. The police or DVSA might during a road side stop might feel differently.

 

However the guidance does say "goods you own, or goods you have used or will use in the course of your work" Its possible a smart barrister would be able to argue that arrisings are goods you have used in the course of your work. However ideally you want to win the case before it even starts at the roadside stop, as once its gone to court only the legal bods win.

[Justme]

Hi mate all sounds a night mere to me this TACHO THANKS JON

 

 

 

It is.

 

Even if you are tacho exempt you still need to account & record ALL the working hours you do (even non driving ones) as you are still covered by the EU or UK working hours regs.

 

The record must be in the vehicle at all times. From memory the fine for non compliance is in the region of £5k.

[mendiplogs]

It is.

 

Even if you are tacho exempt you still need to account & record ALL the working hours you do (even non driving ones) as you are still covered by the EU or UK working hours regs.

 

The record must be in the vehicle at all times. From memory the fine for non compliance is in the region of £5k.

 

Hi mate how about running a small unimog then on agricultural license thanks John

[briquette_seller]

Correct if its your firewood you are carrying.

 

However thats not me saying it. Its the DVSA (VOSA).

 

They clearly say that in the linked documents.

 

Far from clear, in my opinion.

I don't fully agree with what your saying, just my personal opinion.

 

Everyone's opinion and understanding is different, and that's the problem.

[Justme]

Far from clear, in my opinion.

I don't fully agree with what your saying, just my personal opinion.

 

Everyone's opinion and understanding is different, and that's the problem.

 

The three opinions that matter are

 

DVSA

Police

Courts

 

As the DVSA are the governing body the police turn to them in these cases. In all case you want to keep it out of court, so go with the DVSA's opinion. Their opinion matches mine.

 

where you are carrying

other people’s goods for hire or reward (e.g. working as a courier, removal firm or other

freight transport business)

 

So hire & reward is the defining statement, if your not then you dont need one.

 

so

 

What is not Hire or Reward

You are NOT usually operating for Hire or Reward when you carry goods you own or goods you have used or will use in the course of your business.

 

look very clear to me.

 

Your goods is not hire or reward. Its "operating on your own account".

 

However I respect your right to define it how you see fit & spend money on having a tacho fitted you dont legally need.

[Justme]

Hi mate how about running a small unimog then on agricultural license thanks John

 

Thats a whole new can of worms. Prob even a box full of worm cans.

 

Remember its not how its licensed but how its used that will count.

[briquette_seller]

The three opinions that matter are

 

DVSA

Police

Courts

 

As the DVSA are the governing body the police turn to them in these cases. In all case you want to keep it out of court, so go with the DVSA's opinion. Their opinion matches mine.

 

 

 

So hire & reward is the defining statement, if your not then you dont need one.

 

so

 

 

 

look very clear to me.

 

Your goods is not hire or reward. Its "operating on your own account".

 

However I respect your right to define it how you see fit & spend money on having a tacho fitted you dont legally need.

 

So, carrying my own goods, in this case logs, for delivery to a customer.

 

At what stage do my goods become the customers goods?

At the point of sale or point of delivery?