To Coronet or Not to Coronet, now that is a question

[MasterBlaster]

The differences from one side of the world to another. Over here we would be paid to remove those raggedy cuts.

 

Like I said... amazing.

 

I hope you were amused, lol.

[David Humphries]

The differences from one side of the world to another. Over here we would be paid to remove those raggedy cuts.

 

Like I said... amazing.

 

I hope you were amused, lol.

 

Honest question here MB.

I've only occasionally scanned yours and other American Arb Web sites, so do not really have a handle on them, but is there any imput on them from American Conservationally minded Arborists.

If so, I would be very interested in any links you could point me to.

 

Cheers

David ( the Tree huggin, Tree fellin mixed up Limey )

[Steve Bullman]

american arb practice is worlds away from ours david, hence arbtalk

[David Humphries]

american arb practice is worlds away from ours david, hence arbtalk

 

Kinda guessed, but these are the same originators of the worlds first National Parks.

Supposedly, Conservation has it's roots with our American cousins.

 

Fair enough, the US Arb industry may appear to be about felling/dismantling the biggest/oldest/scariest Trees in many practical, comendably inspirational ways, but surely there is a link somewhere, all be it tenuous between the Chainsaw machismo, Science and Tree Conservation.

 

Prove me otherwise, MB, DMC, Old Monkey.

[MasterBlaster]

Prove me otherwise, MB, DMC, Old Monkey.

 

Prove you otherwias what?

 

american arb practice is worlds away from ours david, hence arbtalk

 

So other than "Crazy Coronet Cutting" and accepted topping practices, how is it "worlds away?" I'm curious. We eat fish n chips, too.

[High Scale]

Around here, where the idea of the coronet cut was born, we have taken to driving a car at around 45 mph into the base of the tree and then setting it on fire.

[David Humphries]

Prove you otherwias what? .

 

Enlighten me to the stories of People caring for trees and the understanding of the ecological balance they help preserve, over there across the pond.

Not just the tales of cutting them down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[MasterBlaster]

Nah, all we ever do here in the States are takedowns. Whenever a customer asks us to trim we laugh maniacally, then skip off into the sunset. Really.

 

You got us pegged!

[D Mc]

american arb practice is worlds away from ours david, hence arbtalk

 

True enough, but there are also many, many similarities.

 

 

Kinda guessed, but these are the same originators of the worlds first National Parks.

Supposedly, Conservation has it's roots with our American cousins.

 

Prove me otherwise, MB, DMC, Old Monkey.

 

 

Enlighten me to the stories of People caring for trees and the understanding of the ecological balance they help preserve, over there across the pond.

Not just the tales of cutting them down. .

 

 

I have been reticent to become involved in this discussion but what the heck you asked.

 

First off I think there needs to be a clarification on the conservation, ecological balance and arborists.

 

I have hopefully, posted a picture taken in my front yard doing one of my other pasttimes of RC gliders. In the background the mountain range you see is the start of the Selway/Bitterroot Wilderness area. This encompasses 1.3 million acres. It is only the 3rd largest in the lower 48 US states. The wilderness designation was set in 1964 and locks the land into its pristeen state. THAT is conservation. There are many that believe that allowing nature to take its course has tremendous benefits and cannot be duplicated by man's awkward attempts.

 

I feel trying to equate residential arboriculture with conservation-based forest management is not appropriate. What is good for the country may not be in the best interest of the individual foot soldier. We are here to take care of the foot soldiers. The trees we deal with day-in and day-out exist outside the forest and interface with our existance. Therefore requiring a totally different management plan than an entire ecosystem.

 

I take great pride in my skill in both pruning and removals. When I do a reduction on any tree I expect noone looking upon that tree to notice it has been trimmed but only to notice and admire its natural grace. I trim for the health and wellbeing of the tree. I offer PHC advice for the environment of the tree. This is what conservation-based, residential arboriculture should be. A blending of what the tree needs in relation to its impact on the environrment in which it stands.

 

In my world, I would never spec a coronet cut on live wood. Believe it or not, I have recommended coronets on dead habitat stubs and dead monoliths because I understand the aesthetics of a natural looking break as opposed to a large, flat chainsaw cut in a natural setting.

 

These are just some of my views and I mean no offence but even though I don't agree with some of your views I still feel very strongly about the care of trees and the environment.

 

Dave

[David Humphries]

True enough, but there are also many, many similarities.

 

There are many that believe that allowing nature to take its course has tremendous benefits and cannot be duplicated by man's awkward attempts.

 

I feel trying to equate residential arboriculture with conservation-based forest management is not appropriate.

What is good for the country may not be in the best interest of the individual foot soldier. We are here to take care of the foot soldiers. The trees we deal with day-in and day-out exist outside the forest and interface with our existance. Therefore requiring a totally different management plan than an entire ecosystem.

 

I take great pride in my skill in both pruning and removals. When I do a reduction on any tree I expect noone looking upon that tree to notice it has been trimmed but only to notice and admire its natural grace. I trim for the health and wellbeing of the tree. I offer PHC advice for the environment of the tree. This is what conservation-based, residential arboriculture should be. A blending of what the tree needs in relation to its impact on the environrment in which it stands.

 

In my world, I would never spec a coronet cut on live wood. Believe it or not, I have recommended coronets on dead habitat stubs and dead monoliths because I understand the aesthetics of a natural looking break as opposed to a large, flat chainsaw cut in a natural setting.

 

 

These are just some of my views and I mean no offence but even though I don't agree with some of your views I still feel very strongly about the care of trees and the environment.

 

Dave

 

 

I would like to reiterate that these techniques are not for the urban residential arena.

To clarify, I am talking about the urban forests.

I know little of your American cities, but here in the UK, large cities such as London, have a very precious commodity in their open spaces.

Many of our 8 million residents do not, through particular circumstance or choice, have access to the natural world.

For many decades these areas have been sanitised of their dead wood habitat, mainly under the banner of over zealous health & safety and access. Ofcourse public safety is paramount at these sites, but there is a big need for a redress, to restore this esential habitat, which countless fungi, invertebrates and the like need to co exist and interact with, to play their part in maintaining a healthy & biodiverse ecosystem.

It's all very well and good having prety manicured parks for the population to relax in, but there is a great desire and need in us all to be able to seriously feel the benefits of taking ourselves out of mans built environment even if that is only to walk the dog, or take a stroll under canopy. This promotes personal well being which can not be replicated in the parks, streets and mown lawns of our sterile urban landscape.

 

As you rightly say, man can not replicate nature, but we can try, and the substance is in the action of trying.

 

Thanks for getting involved Dave, I appreciate your time and comments, It's encouraging for me to hear the thoughts of someone who knows their place in what it is they are achieving.