Dangers of top roping

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Speaking as a climber, this incident was 100% the climber's fault.

 

The decison to to tip tie/top rope that piece was wrong.

 

The decision on where to tie a section of timber off lies primarily with the climber. In this case the climber made the wrong decision. He could have easily tied it off near the base of the section and folded it over instructing the groundy to let it run as it hinged over.

 

Surprised to see so many 'experienced' people on this thread saying it was the groundy's fault. You can argue about the groundie's reaction when it started to go wrong, but it would never have gone wrong in the first instance had the climber made a better choice with his rigging.

 

It also has nothing to do with the choice of lowering device/pre-tensioning the line.

 

you and me both!

 

I dont take too much notice of what the groundies tell me to do, I always suggest that if they know how to do the job better then it should really be a case of I will come down and offer them my gear in order that they can show ME how to do it!

 

This offer in 100% of the times results in the groundies keeping their gobs shut and lettting me do my job, my way.

 

we all wanna get the job done and go home, the climber tends to have intentions of making sure he does go home and I mean in one piece!

Edited February 22, 2012 by Tony Croft aka hamadryad

[Andy Collins]

As a groundie, the only times I had something go wrong was when the climber was trying to rush the job and failed to communicate clearly. I've also had "experienced" climbers shout down how many wraps they want..... Yeah if I listened I'd either join them up the tree or have had holes in roofs. Climbers aren't the be all and end all of the team, they are just part of it.... They are however prima Donnas and tarts

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

They are however prima Donnas and tarts

 

 

thats cos the climbers rule!

[RobArb]

I used to work with a bloke who said "whoever is in the tree is KING"

 

Trouble is, he wasn't:sneaky2:

 

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[felixthelogchopper]

As a groundie, the only times I had something go wrong was when the climber was trying to rush the job and failed to communicate clearly. I've also had "experienced" climbers shout down how many wraps they want..... Yeah if I listened I'd either join them up the tree or have had holes in roofs. Climbers aren't the be all and end all of the team, they are just part of it.... They are however prima Donnas and tarts

 

I must have been lucky because I have only worked with one real 'ego' climber and he soon got his come-uppance when he got pulled driving the truck and chipper on a ban The guys I ground for know how much I can hold, and adjust wraps etc accordingly. I trust them to judge the size of the timber they are cranking out as they are right next to it, and they trust me to let things run or not as they request. Like you say Andy, teamwork is the be all and end all.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I must have been lucky because I have only worked with one real 'ego' climber and he soon got his come-uppance when he got pulled driving the truck and chipper on a ban The guys I ground for know how much I can hold, and adjust wraps etc accordingly. I trust them to judge the size of the timber they are cranking out as they are right next to it, and they trust me to let things run or not as they request. Like you say Andy, teamwork is the be all and end all.

 

its true, team work rules, but decisions are made by the operator in the tree, and once made the groundy cant do Sh... about them.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I used to work with a bloke who said "whoever is in the tree is KING"

 

Trouble is, he wasn't:sneaky2:

 

Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

 

 

ha ha ha, I know what your saying, nobodies perfect:thumbup:

[Czlowiek Drzewo]

good find. ouch!!!!

 

I wouldn' say it was groundsman fault. he might hve been inexperienced and it would be climbers fault for letting him do the roping.

 

What the groundsman should have dine it just let it run but you can see by the way he is trying to feed the rpe through his hands that ther is either to my wraps or doesn't know to lt it run.

[paddy]

As a groundie, the only times I had something go wrong was when the climber was trying to rush the job and failed to communicate clearly. I've also had "experienced" climbers shout down how many wraps they want..... Yeah if I listened I'd either join them up the tree or have had holes in roofs. Climbers aren't the be all and end all of the team, they are just part of it.... They are however prima Donnas and tarts

 

9 times out off 10 the groundie is the inexperienced one in the team or he would be up the tree,groundies dont fully understand why the climber makes the calls because he cant do what the climber is doing:thumbdown:

[softbankhawks]

Speaking as a climber, this incident was 100% the climber's fault.

 

The decison to to tip tie/top rope that piece was wrong.

 

The decision on where to tie a section of timber off lies primarily with the climber. In this case the climber made the wrong decision. He could have easily tied it off near the base of the section and folded it over instructing the groundy to let it run as it hinged over.

 

Surprised to see so many 'experienced' people on this thread saying it was the groundy's fault. You can argue about the groundie's reaction when it started to go wrong, but it would never have gone wrong in the first instance had the climber made a better choice with his rigging.

 

It also has nothing to do with the choice of lowering device/pre-tensioning the line.

 

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Oh no, was the climber pushed to do this, what a shame.

It looks like in-experience bit them on the ass.

 

If tied just below balance point and cut with thick tapering hinge piece would have post stretched the rigging line and then tips would fall away from climber. Piece would have moved slower.

Still a high risk move though.

 

A move like this on a portawrap is complex, much easier with grcs or other such lifting tools.

 

Is the climber OK, that was a hell of a clonk?