bs3998 draft proposal

[David Humphries]

Ooh Ooh

 

 

Annex F (normative) Crown management by cutting – specialized practices

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[treebloke]

'Severe crown reduction, which at its most extreme equates to topping, may be considered if it is the last resort for retaining a valuable tree which would otherwise pose an unacceptable risk to people or property.'

 

well......there's the green light to butcher thousands of trees and use the standards as a back up, surely a valuable tree would become worthless if it was severely topped? The above quote needs removed as it sends out the wrong message to tree officers, contractors and tree surveyors.

 

The local authorities up and down the country already do it to their own trees but you try and convince a potential customer different.

[Mani]

Anyone read the section on stump management(14)?! what a joke, how can they expect people to take that stuff seriously? stump management and retention! haha! wtf is a stump!

 

i'm a tree surgeon not a stump surgeon!

 

reading through the draft makes difficult reading, you'd almost think the people that made it up live in cloud cuckoo land. all those american 'z's everywhere as well, what a bloody disaster

 

note to people who came up with the new draft - shred it!

[skyhuck]

 

i'm a tree surgeon not a stump surgeon!

 

 

If a stump is NOT part of a TREE, what is it???

[Mani]

If a stump is NOT part of a TREE, what is it???

 

Have you read the section? it doesnt make sense. they dont even know what they mean by a 'stump'

[Mani]

from the draft -

 

'remove any new growth from the stump (e.g. cut or break off) as soon as it appears. This should be continued (if necessary over several years) until shoots are no longer produced.'

 

who did this section?! Alan Titchmarsh? ha ha!

 

 

I reckon Dimmock and Titchmarsh came up with the new draft!

[skyhuck]

from the draft -

 

'remove any new growth from the stump (e.g. cut or break off) as soon as it appears. This should be continued (if necessary over several years) until shoots are no longer produced.'

 

who did this section?! Alan Titchmarch? ha ha!

 

If you do not wish to use poison, that is the best way to kill a stump, I have recommended it to many customers!

 

I don't understand the problem:confused1:

[Mani]

I don't understand the problem:confused1:

 

From the draft -

 

 

 

Table 3 – Stump management options

 

 

Pros

Cons

Possible management implications

 

Stump retained – long term -alive or dead

 

All stumps – general

No costs in removing stump

 

Wildlife habitat

 

Mineral and nutrient recycling

 

Natural biological control of pathogens

 

No disturbance of underground structures

 

No mechanical damage to roots of nearby plants

 

No ground disturbance/compaction

Continuing need for hazard management (e.g. trip hazard) (see

 

Potential host for pathogens

 

Limits the choices for future use of the area

 

Appearance

 

Potential for regrowth

Pre and post-felling treatments to prevent regrowth

 

Specification of height of retained stump

 

Safety survey

 

Coppice stump

 

 

Natural regeneration

 

Replacement tree

 

Greater range of wildlife and greater longevity of habitat

 

Cyclical cutting

 

Singling stems

 

High stump

Greater range of wildlife and greater longevity of habitat

 

Plant support

 

Sculpture potential

Larger area at risk for a longer period

Safety survey over longer period

 

 

 

Stump to be removed

 

All stumps

No future management

 

No/reduced regrowth

 

Space for other land use

 

Reduced source for pests and/or pathogens

 

No safety hazard

 

 

Costs of removal and hole treatment

 

Loss of wildlife habitat

 

Loss of minerals and nutrients

 

Root suckers

Ground investigations e.g. underground structures

 

Specification of height of stump prior to removal

 

Pre/post-felling treatment to prevent regrowth

 

Method of removal

 

Hole treatment and reinstatement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By assessing the pros and cons shown in Table 3, one of the following three end-results should be selected:

 

a) live stump retained;

 

b) dead stump retained;

 

c) dead stump removed.

 

it goes on about stumps for about 40 pages!

 

how could someone possibly come up with this rubbish? never in the history of this country has so much energy and time been spent on the management of the humble stump.

[Lee Winger]

from the draft -

 

'remove any new growth from the stump (e.g. cut or break off) as soon as it appears. This should be continued (if necessary over several years) until shoots are no longer produced.'

 

who did this section?! Alan Titchmarsh? ha ha!

 

 

I reckon Dimmock and Titchmarsh came up with the new draft!

 

Well Titchmarsh does advocate flush cutting Birch..

[Lee Winger]

From the draft -

 

 

 

 

 

Costs of removal and hole treatment

 

 

 

Hole treatment and reinstatement

 

What the hell does ''hole treatment'' mean?